Re: Bread and cheese
- From: "David Read" <davidread@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:06:50 -0000
<am05@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> David Read wrote:
<snips for brevity>
>> > What is _green_ cheese? That semisoft thing which is a little bit on a
>> > stinky side
>> > and is supposed to be a delicacy?
>> Fresh, immature cheese.
> Any type of it?
As far as I know.
>> Piers is a ploughman, not a farmer,
> Means 'just a worker for hire'?
Well probably more than that.
>Was he supposed to provide his own
That would depend upon just how much in demand an agricultural labourer''s
services were. And that would be seasonal and market related.
Read the poem, particularly Passus VI.
> Usual arrangement with the hired workers in Russia was that their
> feeds them.
>>and would have had only his own garden
>> or smallholding in which to keep livestock and grow foodstuffs .
> Well, I can't comment on the English livestock but in some other places
> chicken tend to require much less space. Afaik, you can't keep a cow in
> garden (providing you want some vegetables for yourself) but you can
> keep the
> chicken in your yard. Probably a cow is held on some common pasture and
> has to pay something to a person who overlooks village's herd. Or he
> has to have
> a sizeable piece of his own land to provide grass and hay. To think
> about it, he
> still has to have some land to provide hay for horse and cow during the
> So, he is just saying that _he_ does not have some quite common food
> to his family (not the luxury items) as a sign of his honest poverty?
No. As I have said, this relates to ther "Hunger Gap" before the harvest.
>> Langland is not describing the state of Piers' diet throughout the year,
>> the "hungry gap", where bread was scarcer and food generally less varied
>> nutritious during the summer months before harvest time.
> This is when chicken come handy. :-)
Of which there is not an infinite supply, and whose costs will rise in times
of high demand.
> Peter is not the brightest apple on a tree but is his wife just as
> stupid as he husband?
>> Branston pickle isn't my favourite either. However, there are plenty of
>> other brandname pickles hot, sour, acidic, etc.to choose from that you
>> prefer. Inevitably, the best home-made ones are always preferable. Most
>> pubs, however, seem to regard Branston pickle as being de rigeur with
>> ploughman's lunches,
> Never managed to attract any attention to my person in English pub (not
> that I
> visited too many of them): everybody was busy watching football and I
> had no
> clue if I should come to the bar and ask for service or quietly wait to
> be served
> (the 2nd model clearly did not work).
>>which themselves can be highly variable in quality. Of
>> course, you still might yearn for babushka's salt cabbage,
> Actually, being born in post-Domostroy times, _I_ was doing the
>> fatty cuts of
> Why do you think that I like _fat_ meat? Ukrainian 'salo' excepting, of
> course (and it is
> not a meat, justsalted fat).
> As one smart doggie said: "People think that we like bones but actually
> we like meat."
>> and distilled potato juice,
> Potato vodka is more typical for Poland.....
>>but fortunately I don't have *that*
> David, you are thoroughly mistaken about the 'nostalgic items' of my
> diet but I'm
> glad to know that you don't have the dietary problems. :-)
I'm glad you're glad. :-)
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