Re: Ancient Rome

On Mar 15, 2:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Mar 13, 8:20 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



"imipak" <imi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 7:13 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"imipak" <imi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
<<<You can show that, structurally, it isn't in any known language
family
and therefore cannot be written in any of those languages. It is by>>>

Utter nonsense. The same idiots came out with the same crap about Linear
B.

Bull. They discovered Linear B's relationship to Greek precisely
because of structure. You want to claim otherwise, you need to provide
references. Formal academic citations only, and of recognized and
accepted academic work. So you can't quote your own posts as proof.

deciphered. Of course it is just possible that it was Latin in a
different script, but this is where the plausibility rule takes
over.

The most likely possibility is that it is Latin in a different script
or
Greek or Carian in a different script, or it could even be German.
There
is
no such thing as an Etruscan language.

<<<It has been shown, conclusively, it is not Latin, Greek, Germanic,
Carian, or any other known language. It has also been recorded by the>>>

No it has not. In fact it has been shown to comprise of elements of all
of
these languages but mainly Greek and Latin so it can't be attributed to
any
individual tribe.

<<<Roman scholars as Etruscan. I'm sorry, but the Roman historians
probably had a better idea of what these people were called than you
do. If the Romans say they were the , then the Etruscii they
were.>>>

Nope. The Etrusci called themselves Rasena or originally Tyrrsenoi,
therefore that is what they were. They were no Tuscans or Pelasgians or
anything else you want to make them. There is no such thing as an
Etruscan
language.

<<<I never claimed they were Tuscans or Pelasgians, but you have and I
can provide the Google links to prove it. You also claimed that no>>>

You are a LIAR!

<<<such outside tribe existed and I'll be happy to provide the link to
show you where you said that too. Further, you also earlier named all
the tribes you believed there to have been on the peninsula and you
failed to provide either of the original names OR the Etruscii (indeed>>>

More LIES! The names I gave were the originals. Get an education you fool.

<<<Lastly, the Etruscii called themselves the Etruscii and this is the
name then used by the Romans. You have now admitted, for all to see,>>>

You are a clueless LIAR! They called themselves Rasena.

<<<So you're accusing Google of lying? Perhaps Google is part of this
conspiracy you fantasize about. The archives show what you said and
you cannot run and hide from them. The only liar posting here is you,
and Google reveals this to be so. As it did with your PIE claims.
Remember? Are you so foolish a charlatan that you want me to keep
shaming you? Or maybe you're so convinced of the righteousness of your
ego that you really do believe Google faked the USENET archives.

Or maybe you'd like me to embarrass you in other ways, like providing
links to the Reuters story currently running on Turks who had been
murdered by the Greeks, and how the Greeks had started the massacres.
Sure, it also points out the Turks finished them my murdering and
butchering their way across the island, but it is indisputable proof,
provided by the UN, that the Greeks were just as sick, just as
perverse, and just as guilty of atrocities. Perhaps more so, as they
were first to plunge the knives into their fellow islanders' backs.>>>

You are a SICK LYING PICE OF ***!

      First Report of the European Commission of Human Rights

      Turkey's invasion in Cyprus and aftermath
      (20 JULY 1974 - 18 MAY 1976)

" The Commission has found violations of a number of Articles of the
Convention. It notes that the acts violating the Convention were exclusively
directed against members of one of the two communities in Cyprus, namely the
Greek Cypriot community. The Commission concludes by eleven votes to three
that Turkey has thus failed to secure the rights and freedoms set forth in
these Articles without discrimination on the grounds of ethnic origin, race
and religion as required by Art.14 of the Convention (Report, para. 503) "

Turkey's invasion in Cyprus and aftermath
(20 JULY 1974 - 18 MAY 1976)
Part of the Introduction
After overruling Turkey's objection the Commission of Human Rights
considered: "the evidence before the Commission and the facts established on
the basis of this evidence cannot be seen as presenting a view of the events
and incidents complained of mainly from the Greek Cypriot side. The
Commission observes in this connection that: - certain events and incidents
referred to in the applications are in great part a matter of public
knowledge. In particular, the massive movement of population from the
northern to the southern part of Cyprus after 20 July, 1974 is an
indisputable fact which, as such, calls for no particular investigation; the
Commission has based its findings in part on reports of other international
organizations, in particular the United Nations; - the witnesses heard by
the Commission's Delegation in Cyprus testified, with little exception, with
a restraint and objectivity that gave credibility to their testimony; some
of them confirmed a number of statements in the Particulars of the
Applications about which they could not have had any direct knowledge; - in
the evaluation of the evidence before it, the Commission has refrained from
drawing any conclusions from the fact that the respondent Government,
despite every opportunity being offered to them, failed to make any
statements, or to proposed counterevidence on the applicant Government's
allegations". (Report, p.31)

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Here are the Contents:

  a.. Killings
  b.. Displacement of persons (Creating refugees)
  c.. Deprivation of liberty
  d.. Mass rapes
  e.. Torture & inhuman treatment
  f.. Deprivation of possessions, looting and wanton destruction
  g.. Discrimination
  h.. No remedy

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Killings
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be
deprived of his life intentionally." (Article 2)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The Turkish Army embarked upon a systematic course of mass murders of
civilians unconnected with any war activity, including women and babies in
arms, and soldiers who had surrendered.

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges. Turkey boycotted the Commission's
proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's verdict:

By 14 votes to 1 the Commission, after examining a number of killings at
specific places, held that the evidence before it constituted "strong
indications of killings committed on a substantial scale" (para.346). The
Commission concluded: " In view of the very detailed material before it on
other killings alleged by the applicant Government, the Commission, by
fourteen votes against one, concludes from the whole evidence that killings
happened on a larger scale than in Elia. There is nothing to show that any
of these deprivations of life were justified... " (Report, p.165)

Further relevant facts:

Greek National Guardsmen and civilians were killed in the field and in
bombing raids on civilian targets, including hospitals. In these raids the
Turkish Air Force used napalm. These killings were not the subject of the
application to the European Commission on Human Rights, being rather
breaches of the Geneva Conventions.

[Go back to Contents]

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Displacement of persons (Creating refugees)
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life and his
home..." (Article 8)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The Turkish Army displaced 200,000 Greek Cypriots (more than one third of
the population) from their homes. This was effected partly by physical
expulsion and partly by a systematic campaign of terror, causing Greek
Cypriots to flee in the face of Turkey's advancing armed forces. Refugees
and expellees were not permitted by the Turkish Army to return to their
homes in the Turkish occupied area.

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges. Turkey boycotted the Commission's
proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's Verdict:

" Displacement of persons:

1. The Commission concludes by thirteen votes against one that, by the
refusal to allow the return of more than 170,000 Greek Cypriot refugees to
their homes in the north of Cyprus, Turkey violated, and was continuing to
violate Art. 8 of the Convention in all these cases. When hostilities ended
some Greek Cypriots were able to return to their homes near the cease-fire
lines in areas under UN or Government control thus reducing the number of
refugees to 170,000.

2. The Commission concludes by twelve votes against one that, by the
eviction of Greek Cypriots from houses, including their homes, by their
transportation to other places within the north of Cyprus, or by their
deportation across the demarcation line, Turkey has equally violated Art. 8
of the Convention.

3. The Commission concludes by thirteen votes against one that by the
refusal to allow the return to their homes in ...

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Immaterial. First, this is just an extract, not the full report.
Second, it ignores all subsequent reports and all subsequent forensic
evidence. Mind you, you've never accepted any other evidence on
anything else, so why expect you to change here? The fact is, you can
cite one tiny subsection of one tiny report all you like, the facts
are what they are and you can't do a damn thing to alter them. Big
Brother you are not.
.

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