Re: Origin of Sabbath, Canaanite seasonal festivals, and nomads’ spring sacrifice

On 22 May, 02:34, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dragonblaze wrote:
On May 21, 7:58 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[snip]
I have posted you references to archaeological sites - now who the
hell do you think built them? Aliens? /sarcasm off/
        How many walled cities and how many fortresses? How many large enough to have
supported a civilization needing writing?
41.
How small a town needs writing? Judging from the Mesopotamian example,
all of them do - just as today. I don't know how many people live in
your home town, but even if there is only 2 people they tend to need
the ability to read and write. That has not changed since writing was
invented.

That has no applicability to an agrarian society in ages passed which do not
have a connection to the outside world. We did not see widespread literacy in
farming regions in highly literate Europe until the 19th century.

Seems to have applied to the Mesopotamian agrarian society, since we
do have a huge corpus of economic texts. These are typically receipts,
bills of sale, tax documents etc, and they are found even in the
smallest sites. The Mesopotamians were fanatics about documenting
every single sale with witnesses, and that is why we have such a
number of such texts.

        What makes you think you know anything about archaeology?

What makes you think you know anything about ANE literacy and
practices?

        I can name dozens of Indian sites in the US but that does not mean there was
a great civilization on the pre-columbian US.
I don't know of any US Native American sites with the equivalent of
the Gezer calendar. We have no historical evidence of pre-Columbian US
writing - unlike what we do have in the Levant. So what might be your
point?

        You know for a fact I am not talking about the rather nebulous "Levant" but
specifically the land in which the major events of the bible supposedly took
place and which you claim corresponds to the inscriptions you know and love.

Find out where Gezer is then and what the calendar is.

You still haven't been able to explain away the Taylor prism and its
close correspondence to the Biblical description of the same event,
btw. Want to try again?

        So please stop evading and address what is being discussed..

        I have looked into the digs which have been found. Found any place else they
would not be worth the dig. You cannot find anyone bothering to announce
things so trivial when found in Egypt.

Not been to Hazor or Megiddo then?

        Two does not match the numbers given in the inscription you quoted. There are
no signs of war matching the dates of the inscriptions. Mere existence is
evidence of nothing but existence.

Try Lachish, if you want precise evidence for the Sennacherib war - I
have posted you previously the evidence we have for it: the orthostats
from Nineveh that show the siege in such a detail that it is still
possible to identify the place where the artist who made the sketches
stood and the remains of the Assyrian siege ramp on site which is also
shown on the orthostats.

[snip]

when you came in. And it was just as true then as it is now save that pros
like Finkelstein and Silberman are started to find the balls to say it.
Which shows you have not read what they say - or have profoundly
misunderstood it. Why don't you ask them which one of us they agree
with.

        They found the balls to say IF Solomon existed THEN he was a barbarian ruling
a hill called Israel. They are making progress. You do know what the term
"hilltop warlord" implies do you not?

I have no problem with this, as I already HAVE told you I consider the
Davidic and Solomonic stories as typical Golden Era legends. Did you
forget that already?

        Fifteen years ago I was questioning how the OT could have been written
without evidence of a culture that could produce it. It was only about eight
years ago that I found no way to explain it leaving only that it was created
much more recently than most are willing to consider. The only candidate
source document which matches all the contents of the OT including
stylistically is the Septuagint.
Which is equivalent of asking how did the Anglo-Saxons manage to write
the Beowulf. Too bad for you we know quite a bit about the origins of
tehe Bible - and it's all there if you ever bother to look into OT
Exegetics.

        Actually we have no idea who wrote Beowulf. All we know is the oldest written
version indicates it was written in the 11th c. AD.

Copied. Old English was no longer in use in the 11th c. AD - and the
same goes for other OE texts.

[snip]

        Just a few weeks ago the "Jehu son of Omri" inscription was being touted as
confirming the bible until I pointed out the bible does not say Jehu was the
son of Omri.

So what? I already told you that bi:t humria (the House of Omri) was
the Assyrian name for Israel for a long time after Omri, till the
reign of Sargon. Come on, we HAVE been through this already.

        I presume no one is bringing up the "Tel Dan" inscription because they have
finally realized this would be the only use of BYT to mean dynasty. But then
maybe you have been awaiting an opportunity to bring it up.

See my comment about Golden Era legends above - though that does not
remove the possibility later rulers could have used it as a dynastic
name. After all, The Queen can trace her ancestry back to Odin if she
so wishes - legendary origins for ruling dynasties are nothing new.

Dragonblaze
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