Re: Dionysus El Elyon and Zeus Baal Shamen


"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:QvcWj.8$WO3.6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Agamemnon wrote:

"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:NwSVj.14008$66.8690@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Agamemnon wrote:

This is a rerun, but you have never answered it. Why were there six vowels and apparent diphthongs pronounced "ee", when "i" would have done the job on its own?

Because the alphabet was brought to Greece by Cadmus in 1430 BC. By Homer's time in 900 BC the modern pronunciation was on the verge of becoming dominant but Homer had already written his work using spelling that dated back to 1430 BC and that spelling remains to this day. By the start of the Classical era 75% of the population were using modern pronunciation for the diphthongs and for the i sounds.

Put this way, your point is worth considering, but I always understood you to say that the ancient pronunciation was simply made up.

You means the Erasmian pronunciation was simply made up. It has no basis whatsoever in reality. Greek pronunciation was totally ignored when it was concocted. From Linear B when know that the sounds of K, G, and H (Hi/Xi) where not distinguished, same goes for V, B, P, F and T and Th, and D and Dh. We also know this from Greek historical accounts since the Cadmian symbols for Th F, and X (Hi) were not invented until 1200 BC by Palamedes. H (Ita) and Z (Zita) were not invented untill 664 BC by Simonides Melicus. Also the Hittites did not distinguish different sound between K, G, and H / V, B, P, F and T / Th, D and Dh.


Why are "au" and "eu" called diphthongs even today when they are not diphthongs? What was the sound of the rough

Yes they are dipthongs. You clearly don't undersatnad the historical meaning of the Greek word difthonggoi.

It means two vowels. They are a vowel and a consonant.

Twaddle. The Greek word for Vowels was Fonienta. Difthonggoi means two toungs.


What was the sound of the rough breathing?

Read Dionysios Thraikos.

Bare was k, p, t, (kappa, pi, taf), Rough breating was th, f, h (theta, fi, hi). Middle brathing was v, gh, dh (vita, gamma, delta) since v was between p and f, g is between k and h, and d is between th and t.

The above only makes sense using modern Greek pronunciation. k, p, t, are short sharp percussive sounds and cannot be sustained, th, f, h are breaths though constrictions which are sustainable, hence the name rough which describes the rough sound they make, when the two sounds are combined in the ways described above modulations occurs and hence the middle sounds of v, g, d.

You are referring to stops, plosives and fricatives. I was referring to the apostrophe before a vowel.

It's a breathing mark.


If it had none, why was it there? Why do neither Homer or Classical poetry scan in the modern pronunciation? There is no point

Homer and Classical poetry only scan properly in modern pronunciation. In the Erasmian pronunciation they are completely unintelligable and sound hideous.

bleating "they do" like a megaphone bellowing the same lie over and over again. They don't.

They do. Listen to a Greek perform them not an Englishman.



Stáni theí! Mi állo.
Skilí na skilí skílepsa.

The next line gives four unstressed syllables between two stressed ones. Sure thing, man.

You are talking crap. In modern Greek pronunciation and stress it reads perfectly. You clearly don't know how to pronounce Greek.

Not only do I know how to pronounce it, they often do not realize I am a foreigner. Now read the line I refer to. Are there four consecutive unstressed syllables or not?

You're talking bull***. They even know my mum and dad are from England and they were born in Cyprus and speak Greek fluently. The same goes for any other native Greek who has lived in the UK so don't go claiming that they do not realise you are a foreigner.

Dactylic Hexameter as used by Homer is based on length not stress you idiot. Modern Greek gives you the correct length. Your phoney English pronunciation does not and replaces everything with a phoney contrived stress meter which is not what Homer intended.


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