Re: P. Oxy 3035 (Re: The NON CANONIC and PAGAN POLEMIC)
- From: "mountain man" <hobbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:03:14 GMT
"Larry Swain" <giles@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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mountain man wrote:
P.Oxy 3035 refers to the "CHRESTOS" not the "CHRISTOS" root.
How do you know? You yourself admitted that they were often confused. You
yourself provided evidence that the words were confused because their
phonology was similar. You were asked to provide evidence of an
independent use of "chrestianos" where it clearly could not refer to
Christians or "christianos", that evidence has not been forthcoming.
The evidence suggests CHESTOS was used in antiquity.
470 BCE
Aeschylus (Cho. 901) we read of pythochresta
the "oracles delivered by a Pythian God"
460 BCE
Pindar (pp. 4-10) The words [chresen oikistera]
mean "the oracle proclaimed him the colonizer."
In this case the genius of the Greek language permits
that the man so proclaimed should be called Chrestos.
Hence this term was applied to every Disciple recognized by a Master,
as also to every good man.
420 BCE
Euripides (Ion. 1320) (Eurip. Ion, 1218)
Pythochrestos is the nominative singular
of an adjective derived from chrao .
420 BCE
Herodotus - The word [chreon] is explained by Herodotus (7,11,7,)
as that which an oracle declares, and See also Vide Herodotus, 7, 215; 5,
108;
420 BCE
Sophocles, Phil. 437.
350 BCE
Plato (in Phaed. 264 B) has [chrestos ei hoti hegei] --
"you are an excellent fellow to think . . ."
333 BCE
Demosthenes saying [o Chreste] (330, 27),
means by it simply "you nice fellow";
Demosthenes, De Corona, 313, declares that
the candidates for initiation
into the Greek mysteries were anointed with oil.
So they are now in India, even in the
initiation the Yogi mysteries, various
ointments or unguents being used.
XXX BCE
Pagan classics expressed more than one idea
by the verb [chraomai] "consulting an oracle";
for it also means "fated," doomed by an oracle,
in the sense of a sacrificial victim to its decree, or --
"to the WORD"; as chresterion is not only "the seat of an oracle"
but also "an offering to, or for, the oracle.'' (18)
Chrestes is one who expounds or explains oracles,
"a prophet, a soothsayer;" (19) and
chresterios is one who belongs to, or is in the service of,
an oracle, a god, or a "Master" (20);
010 CE
Philo Judaeus speaks of theochrestos "God-declared,"
or one who is declared by god, and of
logia theochresta "sayings delivered by God" --
which proves that he wrote at a time
when neither Christians nor Chrestians were yet known
under these names, but still called themselves the Nazarenes.
090 CE
[to chreon] is given by Plutarch (Nich. 14.) as "fate," "necessity."
Plutarch (V. Phocion), wonders how such a rough
and dull fellow as Phocion could be surnamed Chrestos.
Both of us pointed to literature that tells us that in fact the Christians
were often called "chrestianos".
Firstly the literature is Eusebian.
Secondly, your explanation is reliant upon a consistent spelling
mistake. Do you understand your position?
You were also asked to provide a rational why a "chrestianos", according
to you a follower of the good religion, would be being arrested for
following the "good religion." That too has not been forthcoming.
I do not answer stupid questions like that.
.
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