Re: Why was Jesus crucified?




Terry Cross wrote:

On Mar 30, 5:22 am, David <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Do your own homework on the official Thiering website
to learning her methodology with pesher.

WARNING - highly technical

Finding the Pesher - Introduction http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index3.html

What is this - hunt the easter egg? Where's Waldo?

What is the definition of Pesher, and why does Thiering not define
it? Or use an English word?

"Pesher" is a real term, but it describes something other than
what Thiering means when she uses the word. She uses it to
signify a hidden meaning that onl she can see which you are
supposed to accept as truth through blind faith.

You can safely ignore anything David Christainsen writes
concerning Jesus, the Bible. or any events of 2000 years
ago. All of his claims are based solely on the completely
discredited "pesher" theory of Barbara Thiering. He will
send you on various wild goose chases and demand that you
read various books and webpages that never contain what
he says they do, but the fact is that Barbara Thiering's
theories are easy to understand and easy to disprove.

The best way to show this is to take one small example
and ask some basic questions about it. It should be
noted that neither Barbara Thiering nor any of her
followers have been able to answer the following simple
and quite reasonable questions.

Whiskers wrote:

Engineer wrote:

Here we find some classic Barbara Thiering:

Somehow (method not explained, we have to take her
assertions on faith), she starts with the following biblical
passage...

"And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and
John, and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves;
and he was transfigured before them, and his garments became
glistening, intensely white, as no fuller on earth could
bleach them. And there appeared to them Elijah with Moses;
and they were talking to Jesus. And Peter said to Jesus,
'Master, it is well that we are here; let us make three
booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.'
For he did not know what to say, for they were exceedingly
afraid. And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out
of the cloud, 'This is my beloved Son; listen to him.' And
suddenly looking around they no longer saw anyone with them
but Jesus only." -Mark, Chapter 9, verses 2-8

...and through her Magical Mystery Transmogrifying Pesher
Technique, somehow pulls the following "hidden pesher
meaning" for the above passage out of her arse:

"On a Day of Atonement, the day when only the high priest
could enter into the Holy of Holies, Jesus, a mere layman,
seized the high priest's vestments, dressed himself in them,
and proceeded to carry out the atonement ritual as if he
were the high priest."

Source:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/1624

There is only one way to get the latter out of the former.
Drugs. Lots and lots of hallucinogenic psychedelics drugs.

When Thiering decides that a word means something different
from what everyone else thinks it means, and when she says
that something is 'just so', then for the true believer that
is proof enough. Apparently.

I can't help having a nagging suspicion that if an itinerant
teacher from the sticks with a reputation for thumbing his
nose at the temple authorities and with no priestly status,
even tried to get near the High Priest during an important
ceremony in the inner courts of he Temple, he'd find himself
buried under a big heap of very angry guards and servants.

Or did his disciples have a battle with the Temple guards,
right there in the Temple, and capture and subdue the High
Priest and disrobe him so that Jesus could violate the inner
sanctum? All that with not one word of such infamy ever
leaking out to be mentioned by the likes of Josephus, and
with Jesus and his disciples surviving and escaping and
being allowed to continue their activities unmolested?

Science is based on the idea that one scientist can
replicate and confirm the work of another scientist.
I publicly challenge Barbara Thiering or any of her
followers to explain her "pesher method" so that a
qualified scholar can apply it the the transfiguration
passage in Mark Chapter 9 and independently come up
with the "hidden pesher meaning" of Jesus stripping
the Jewish High Priest naked and carrying out the
atonement ritual in his place. Until this is done,
I proclaim on the authority of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster that Barbara Thiering's theories are hereby
officially refuted.

BTW, Barbara Thiering herself has asked David to
please be silent and to stop bothering us with his
attempts to push her theories down our throats:

"I am prepared to say that David Christainsen does
indeed have a problem of obsessiveness, and in
fact is not a fully reliable source on the detail
of the pesher. To communicate it ineffectively by
dominating in such a way actually does damage, and
I would be grateful if he would learn the Quaker
art of silence! ... You may quote my opinion."
-Barbara Thiering

Any response by David Christainsen that fails to
answer the above questions -- he keeps sending
people on wild goose chases by demanding that
they read various books and web pages that never
contain what he says they do rather than giving
a straight answer -- should also be ignored.


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