Re: Was their a god at Ephesus, male counterpart to the Goddess


"Italo" <olati3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:fic0qb$12s$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Agamemnon wrote:

"Italo" <olati3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

The goddess of Troy is known as Athena, but she was
also "the Phrygian Ate", the Meter Theion. At Strabo's
time the goddess of mt.Ida was considered the same as
Cybele.


You mean the Mycenaean Goddess A-Te-Na.

it's a-ta-na-. ta and te are different signs.

"..the Phrygians in general, and the Trojans, who live
about Mount Ida, themselves also worship Rhea, and perform
orgies in her honour; they call her mother of gods,
Agdistis, and Phrygia, the Great Goddess; from the places
also where she is worshipped, Idæa, and Dindymene, Sipylene,
Pessinuntis, and Cybele." -Strabo

And Phrygia or Freya was the wife of Eingeb or Ingaevon the son of Mannus or Maeones in about 1557 BC. It looks like Cybele married her own brother.


Btw, one thing that Troy, Ephesus, and
Selinus/mt.Agdistis have in common, is that the idols,
representing their respective goddesses, were all said
to've fallen from the sky. Hence these may've been
meteorite stones - the Palladium was described as a a
scorched black object. Or maybe it was just one single
meteoric stone that made it into three traditions.

The goddess at Ephesus is called 'Great Mother'
(Magna Mater), which


Similar goddesses always became syncretized, by the
Roman era the goddess of Ephesus was also called Isis.

implies that she might have had a son. Is there any
record of the Great Mother's children?


Sabazios? Midas? But the stories about Cybele and Attis
are distorted by the later cults. The primary meaning
of 'Attis' = 'father', but there are no stories of him
having offspring


Yes there are. Read the Travels of Noe into Europe.

Written in the 17t century?

either (except for Atys - who IMO is originally one and
the


4 generations later.

same deity as Attis. Atys is the progenitor of the
Lydians (and Tyrsenoi..))


Attis (or Athus) was the son of Manes the brother of
Tipheus, the son of Typhon the son of Atys (Athus).

The author of the 'Travels' invented it.

NO HE DID NOT!

The full list of Phrygian kings is as follows.

1575 Maeones
1558 Laud
1540 Attis (Athus I)
1525 Typhon (expelled by Osyris and Herakles)
1515 Manes
1495 Tipheus (expelled by Herakles the Phoenician king Desinaus who rulled in 1510 BC)
1485 Atys (Athus II)
1435 Lydus
1380 Tmolus
1360-1330 Tantalus

Parallel to it the German king list is as follows.

1596.75 Tuitshe or Tuisto (Adad-Semshi)
1574.75 Mannus or Mann (Maeones)
1556.75 Eingeb or Ingaevon (husband of Freya or Phrygia. His general Brigus settled the Germans on the North Sea from the Danube to Dunkirk)
1547.75 Ausstaeb or Istaveon (the German Mars. Note the similarity of his name to that of the Minoan king Saasitepi or Zeus-Jupi[ter] who ruled in 1650 BC. This would indicate that the Phrygians were originally Minoan Greeks and worshiped Zeus.)
1535.25 Herman (founder of Phrygia)
1519.5 Mers (possibly the Phrygian king Marseyus)
1508 Gampar (contemporary with Herakles/Desinaus accoding to Lynche the author of Travels)
1486 Schwab
1463 Wandler
1442.5 Deuto
1429 Alman (Allman or Altman)
1397 Baier
1367 Ingram or Ingramus
1315 Adalger (or Adelger)
1266 Larein
1215 Ylsing (or Ulsing) (This is Odysseus king of Ithaca)
1162 Brenner or Breno

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