Re: Was their a god at Ephesus, male counterpart to the Goddess


"Christopher Ingham" <christopheringham@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:fff0f0fe-0bd1-4528-bb0c-0499d11b5263@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Nov 24, 5:36 am, sanlosi...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Nov 23, 7:23 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> > The Temple at Ephesus is famous for its association with a Goddess
> > (often called Artemis). But did she have a male counterpart, a > > husband
> > or son, perhaps a dying and ressurrected god figure?

> No. She was a goddess of virginity.

Greek Artemis is sometimes called a virgin goddess, but was the
goddess at Ephesus really much like Greek Artemis? Did she not
originate from a pre-Greek goddess named Kubada or Kubaba (corrupted
in Greek to Kubele, Latin Cybele)?

The goddess at Ephesus is called 'Great Mother' (Magna Mater), which
implies that she might have had a son. Is there any record of the
Great Mother's children?

'Great Mother' also implies that she was impregnated by a male, unless
she was a female that brings forth without male assistance, such as
Gimbutas posits for her 'Old Europe' culture.

The city of Ephesos in western Asia Minor had many temples, the
most famous of which was that of Artemis Ephesia, one of the
"Seven Wonders of the World." "Artemis of the Ephesians" was
originally an Anatolian (possibly Hittite) mother-goddess of

ABSOLUTE POPPY***!

Ephesus was formerly a city of the Maeonians who were descended from the Phrygians, who were originally called Brygians and lived next to the Macedonians before they entered Asia-Minor. Assuming Brygus the king of Spain was their eponymous ancestor then their departure occurred in 1538 BC based on The Travels of Noe into Europe. Prior to its occupation by the Phrygians (who separated from the Maeonians after the death of Tantalus and expulsion of Pelops which occurred in about 1430 BC according to Jerome,) Ephesus was under the rule of Argive king Apis or Sarapis who ruled the entire coast of Asia Minor (and Egypt as Pharaoh Awoserre Apepi,) from about 1625 to 1605 BC and before him the entire world was ruled by Zeus the Minoan king Saasitepi (Zeus-Jupi[ter]) who was also the Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and the father of Artemis!

Maeones was also known as Mannus or Germanus and was the fouder of the German race, being the son of Tuitshe (in modern German Deuche due to Grimm's Law) the son of Jannus the king of Italy in 1628 BC.

The decedents of the Phrygians are the present day Armenians.


fertility onto which the Greek cult of Artemis was grafted in
the seventh century BCE. It is reasonable to suppose that two
cults were originally celebrated in the temple precinct, but
that they were soon assimilated, resulting in one goddess with
a dual nature. Artemis was called "Kubaba" ("Cybele") in many
Anatolian dialects, and although she and Cybele derived in large
part from a common archetypal mother-goddess, their cults and
iconography were distinct; the chief sanctuary of Cybele in fact
was in Pessinus in Phrygia.

Artemis Ephesia was not associated with a male counterpart.
You perhaps may be thinking of Cybele (worshipped in Rome
as Magna Mater), her doublet Agdistis, and her unfortunate
youthful consort Attis, the latter who originally was a subsidiary
figure and apparently not worshipped, but under the later
empire became a solar deity and a guarantor of immortality
to his initiates.

More POPPY***. The worship of Attis (the Phrygian king Athus I accoding to The Travels of Noe into Europe) or rather his male member was instituted by Cybele in about 1530 BC.


Christopher Ingham

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