Re: Sumerian Ishtar of the Black Heads to Venus and question of Califia


"J.LyonLayden" <JosephLayden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1187238345.627211.187770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Irrelevent. The term Neolithic refers to a specific time period beginning
10,000 years ago and at this time the people of Europe were Hunter Gathers.
Now why would these porn dollies be found in central Europe at a time when
the only people there were hunter gathers unless they were porn dollies.

Because they witnessed birth and figured the first god was a mother.

RUBBISH. That is a fantasy story not history or science. It's something you've made up. There is NOT ONE historical account that says birth was considered anything of the kind. In fact the historical idea of how children were created was NOT by the woman but by the man who produced a homunculus which was incubated by the woman. But of course you are totally important so you've never produced and sperm to realise that. No sperm, no babies

Or because they needed a fertility goddess to worship for the
p[rocurement of wild fruits and berries and animals.

More ridiculous unsubstantiated speculation. The people that made these images lived their lives by migrating from place to place when they'd picked all the berries and hunted all the animals and the sheep and goats if they had any had consumed all the grass. Fertility goddess BULL***.


To ancient man, the earth was a living organism and plants and animals
were but part of it. Perhaps they imagined the earth as a goddess as
well as a living thing.

More of the same BULL***. Ancient man did not think of the earth in that way and NOT ONE historical test shows them doing so. Stop making *** up based on the discredited theories of Frazer and Graves.

Or maybe they made the sculptures for magic rituals for getting a
mate.

What is this maybe? This is a HISTORY newsgroup not a fantasy fiction newsgroup. There is no such thing as magic and not one ancient historical text says that any such thing existed. The ritual practice in ancient mystery religion have nothing whatsoever to do with magic. They are about re-enactment of evil deeds carried out be the Gods. The word mystery does not come from magic, it comes from mysos meaning sin. The magic you are referring to was the degeneration of science in the middle ages and thus has nothing to do with primitive societies but advance ones in the state of decay. The word itself in ancient times referred to cooking and the selection of herbs for either cooking or poisoning, not to anything you would find in Harry Potter.

Or maybe they were a form of currency, and they represented the value
of a wife.

And your historical evidence for this is what? What measures prevented it's forgery?

Or maybe if you put it in your hut, your wife would get pregnant,
invoking sympathetic magic.

BULL***. Your wife got pregnant if you fucked her. If she didn't then you would throw her out, give her family back her dowry and find another wife. Read the Koran.

Or maybe....1 million other ideas as probable as porn.


No.



Eusebius would have known of hunter gatherers who were still in Europe and
Africa and he would have known that they had no Gods whatsoever. Religion is
something which was invented in Mesopotamia in about 3500 BC at the same
time as writing and was nothing more than ancestor worship based on recorded
history.

So someone living at 3500 BC new everything that happened in europe
between 3500 BC and 20,000 BC?
That's novel.
Ever thought that the hunter-gatherers living at 3500 BC may not have
had gods, but the ones before them did? Remember, the Cro-Magons died
out around 10,000 BC, and the people who came after them were far less
complex.

There were no such thing as God until they were invented at the same time as writing. The two go hand in hand. Non literate societies do not worship any Gods except the forces of nature and the heavenly bodies so as to predict the seasons. That was obvious to Eusebius and the writers he quotes from observation. Gods are an invention of civilisation through the deification of kings and the preservation of the historical deeds they performed and nothing more. After more people became literate they were also able to make their own family members into house Gods, until their memory lapsed through inability to preserve the texts of their lives. The state Gods had grater resources to preserve their memories.


This religion was then exported to their neighbours who then
exported it to their neighbours until it reached Europe, China and even the
Americas. Left alone man had no reason whatsoever to believe in any kind of
God. Christ, Adonis, Dionysus, Baal-Hadad and Osiris are all rehashes of the
story of the resurrection of Tammuz transposed onto other historical
figures.

Yeah I've heard that incredibly long stretch before, and found it
utterly unconvincing.

You are a fool then.


Monkeys don't believe in Gods and neither do Cats and Dogs and neither do
isolated communities of Humans unless they have a religion imposed on them
as part of one huge con, and the for proof of that you can read Dawkins.

Hmmm...wonder why the aborigines had gods.

They didn't. The aboriginal Gods were invented by the Europeans who met them out of the Aboriginals immediate ancestors at the time they made first contact.


Wonder why the Bushmen have
gods.

They originally followed the religion of the Greeks and Egyptians which eventually degenerated.


Wonder why the isolated polynesians had gods. Wonder why the

No they didn't. The Europeans they met invented them.

neanderthals buried dead ceremoniously with tools for the afterlife.

They copied Homo Sapiens which did this in order to preserve the memory of their culture so that future generation would know they existed.

What makes you differentiate worshipping gods from ancestor worship?
They can be seen as the same thing, depending on your religion and
your perspective.

Gods were nothing more than defied ancestors and nothing more.


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