Re: Most peaceful European city?


Soren Larsen wrote:
sigvald@xxxxxxxx wrote:
Soren Larsen wrote:
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Soren Larsen wrote:

And the Sonderbund war, 1847.

That was a while ago...

Ponte Delgado; provincial capital of the Azores since
shortly after the settlement could be a contender.

FOught with Portugal and the allies in WW1, and was an important
hideout for allied ships in the U-boat war.


It would depend on wether there was actual fighting in Ponte
Delgado.

I cant find anything suggesting that.

That the Azores was in a state of war because of the relation to
Portugal really doesn't do the trick.

If that was the case, then Iceland and its cities also followed
Denmark into WWII until they declared full independence.

Iceland became fully independant in 1918, it declared a republic in
1944.

Independant except for minor details like defence and the conduct of
Icelandic foreign policy.

Both Iceland and Denmark declared neutrality after WW2,



I suspect you mean WWI..

Yes, I did, it was a typo.

But declaring neutrality is no guarantee of getting it respected.

No, Denmark had no guarentee for her neutrality, Iceland depended on
Britain as Britain had always made sure (notably during the Napoleonic
wars and the WW1) that no other power did gain control over Iceland.

Denmark did
not take any responsibility for the defence of Iceland

According to the 1918 treaty Denmark had to guard the Icelandic
coast.

No, Denmark was to provide fisheries patrol for a few years, but it did
not provide any defence.

In case of Iceland 1918, that was the same as taking responcibility for
Icelands territorial integrity.

No, it was only a shore patrol during the summertime.

and the foreign
policy of Iceland was conducted by the Icelandic government, but
carried out by the Danish foreign service on behalf of the Icelanders
(except for the numerous cases where foreign representatives dealt
directly with Iceland without going through Danish channels)

Dont you think it takes a rather bizarre definition of 'full independence'
to have your foreign policy handled by another nation?

Iceland´s foreign policy was not handled by Denmark, Danish officials
carried out the wishes of the Icelandic government.

What happened in 1918 was that Iceland was recognised as a seperate
nation with the right to self determination.

Iceland was declared a fully sovereign nation, section 1 of the treaty.

Much like the status Greenland has today. This however is a long
way from 'full independence' even though that is the most likely
long term result.

No, Greenland has now a home rule, much like Iceland did between 1904
and 1918.


It was in fact the inability of Copenhagen to take proper care of
these details
during the German occupation that triggered the declaration of full
independence.

No, the treaty of 1918 was valid for 25 years and expired 1st dec.
1943 and Iceland became a republic on 17th june 1944.

Not really

Yes, really..

The treaty called for consultation with the danish government..

Yes, but even if the Danish government had been consulted the end
result would have been the same.

That was impossible due to the german occupation. So Iceland
proceeded to full independence at that point.

Iceland became a republic instead of being a kingdom.

This was of course recognised by Denmark after the war without
much fuzz.

Yes and Denmark and Iceland gave each other´s citizens the same rights
that they had enjoyed during the treaty years (rights to live, work and
trade) and these rights were later extended to the other Nordic
countries under the Nordic union.


Soren Larsen

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