Re: The "Sea People" were Greeks


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Agamemnon wrote:
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> Agamemnon wrote:
>> "SteveT" <nextbigthing1024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:iobah1l71oscg6alp3q9b9me23bc0renih@xxxxxxxxxx
>> > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:06:57 +0100, "Agamemnon"
>> > <agamemnon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"SteveT" <nextbigthing1024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>news:sm28h15s58b9e10t7krspl793s8po9tt7s@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:30:03 +0300, "gogu" >> >>> <golanule@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>I don't know much but IIRC they were called "Pelestes" alas the >> >>>>name
>> >>>>"Palestinians".
>> >>>>Is it possible that the Palestinians are descendants of those >> >>>>first
>> >>>>(Hellenic
>> >>>>?...) colonists ?
>> >>>>Is there any truth in that ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>tnx
>> >>>
>> >>> I remember the term "Peleset", & no doubt there are many ways of
>> >>> interpretting Egyptian which arrive at different spellings. I' not
>> >>> sure about "Hellenic", most people seem to describe the incomers >> >>> as
>> >>> "Aegean". It also seems that they integrated with the local
>> >>> population
>> >>> quite quickly. So my impression is that "Palestinian" might be
>> >>> derived
>> >>> from "Peleset", but that the Palestinians probably remain a >> >>> Canaanite
>> >>> people who "absorbed" some Aegean immigrants.
>> >>
>> >>Rubbish.
>> >>
>> >>The Peleset were Pelasgian Greeks and linguistic analyses of their
>> >>names
>> >>and
>> >>inscriptions have proven this.
>> >>
>> > What was a Pelasgian Greek? "Pelasgian" being the term most often >> > used
>> > to describe the pre-Greek inhabitants of the Aegean.
>>
>> The Pelasgians were the original inhabitants of Arkadia
>
> TOTALLY WRONG !..

Stop reading the science fiction. This fact is totally RIGHT. The Pelasgians
were the original inhabitants of Arkadia according to ALL historiains. 

Historians having NO NOTION of what happened 2000 years before they
lived !..  Historians relying, like you do, on TALES and LEGENDS
deforming the Historical Truth...


POPPY***.

These historians lived IN THE TIME in question and the time between Herodotus and Pelasgus is less than the time between the present and William the Conquer and nobody denies his existence and nobody denies Julius Caesars existence either.



>
>>who were named after
>> their king Pelasgos who built the first cities there.
>
> King "Pelasgos" was not of Arkadian origin. No more than George
> Washington was an Indian...  He was (if he existed!) a Proto-Ionian
> "conquistador", who founded some "colonial cities" in the Peloponnesos.
>

POPPY***.

Pelasgos was of Inachid origin. The Ionians are Iapetids. 

BALONEY !.. You are relying on LEGENDS and NAMES, of which we know
NOTHING !..


HOGWASH.

These are HISTORICAL FACTS. The Arkadains were Pelasgians NOT Hellenes. Pelasgus was of the family of Inachus and Hellene was of the family of Iapetus. The only Inachids which became Ionians were the Aegialeans who lived in Sicyon that were later ruled over by Ion.


>
>>Some of them migrated
>> to Thessaly after the Deukalion flood and from there they migrated to
>> where
>> Herodotus says he found them.
>
> The "Deukalion flood" probably corresponds to the "Second Collapse" of
> Thera.
>
>> Pelasgian was a dialect of Greek related to Mycenaean Arcado-Cypriot.
>
> NO. It was a GREEK dialect, related to Ionic-Attic.

LOL... The Pelasgians came from Arcadia. Their dialect is closer to
Arcado-Cypriot than to Attic.


HA ! HA ! HA !.. A new CIRCULAR REASONING !..  Why not the following
one :  "The inhabitants of the Washington State came from Washington
DC, led by George Washington. So, they speak a dialect close to the
Washingtonian"...

Read Starbo 8.1.2 who makes it clear that the Arkadians spoke the Aeolic dialect and that the Achaeans also spoke Aeolic and that Aeolic was the same as Doric and completely different from Ionic.

This fits in with the recent decipherment of Linear A which has already been mentioned elsewhere which shows it to be Aeolic Greek.

[Stra. 8.1.2] There have been many tribes in Greece, but those which go back to the earliest times are only as many in number as the Greek dialects which we have learned to distinguish. But though the dialects themselves are four in number, we may say that the Ionic is the same as the ancient Attic, for the Attic people of ancient times were called Ionians, and from that stock sprang those Ionians who colonized Asia and used what is now called the Ionic speech; and we may say that the Doric dialect is the same as the Aeolic, for all the Greeks outside the Isthmus, except the Athenians and the Megarians and the Dorians who live about Parnassus, are to this day still called Aeolians. And it is reasonable to suppose that the Dorians too, since they were few in number and lived in a most rugged country, have, because of their lack of intercourse with others, changed their speech and their other customs to the extent that they are no longer a part of the same tribe as before. And this was precisely the case with the Athenians; that is, they lived in a country that was both thin-soiled and rugged, and for this reason, according to Thucydides, their country remained free from devastation, and they were regarded as an indigenous people, who always occupied the same country, since no one drove them out of their country or even desired to possess it. This, therefore, as one may suppose, was precisely the cause of their becoming different both in speech and in customs, albeit they were few in number. And just as the Aeolic element predominated in the parts outside the Isthmus, so too the people inside the Isthmus were in earlier times Aeolians; and then they became mixed with other peoples, since, in the first place, Ionians from Attica seized the Aegialus, and, secondly, the Heracleidae brought back the Dorians, who founded both Megara and many of the cities of the Peloponnesus. The Ionians, however, were soon driven out again by the Achaeans, an Aeolic tribe; and so there were left in the Peloponnesus only the two tribes, the Aeolian and the Dorian. Now all the peoples who had less intercourse with the Dorians--as was the case with the Arcadians and with the Eleians, since the former were wholly mountaineers and had no share in the allotments of territory, while the latter were regarded as sacred to the Olympian Zeus and hence have long lived to themselves in peace, especially because they belonged to the Aeolic stock and had admitted the army which came back with Oxylus about the time of the return of the Heracleidae--these peoples, I say, spoke the Aeolic dialect, whereas the rest used a sort of mixture of the two, some leaning more to the Aeolic and some less. And, I might almost say, even now the people of each city speaks a different dialect, although, because of the predominance which has been gained by the Dorians, one and all are reputed to speak the Doric. Such, then, are the tribes of the Greeks, and such in general terms is their ethnographical division. Let me now take them separately, following the appropriate order, and tell about them.





grapheus 
>
>> After the Trojan War Agapenor the king of the Arkadian Pelasgians
>> migrated
>> to Cyprus and it is his Pelasgians that are referred to by Ramses III.
>>
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>



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