Re: C.P. Addition: Burial place of Edward of Angoulême, son of Edward the Black Prince and Joan of Kent
- From: Peter Stewart <psssst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:21:26 +1100
On 19/10/2011 3:32 AM, Derek Howard wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:22 pm, Douglas Richardson<royalances...@xxxxxxx> wrote:Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage, 3 (1913): 437, footnote b (sub Cornwall) indicates
that the famous medieval prince, Edward the Black Prince (died 1376),
Prince of Aquitaine and Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Chester, and
his wife, Joan of Kent, had two sons, Edward (who died young) and
Richard (who subsequently became King Richard II of England).
Specifically Complete Peerage says the following regarding the elder
"The eldest, 'Edward of Angoulême,' was born there 1365, and died
young, v.p., 1372 in Gascony." END OF QUOTE.
Complete Peerage provides no documentation for this statement, so we
are left without any idea where the author obtained this information.
The matter of Edward of Angoulême's dates of birth and death have been
discussed in an earlier thread on soc.genealogy.medieval. Interested
parties can review the material in that thread in the newsgroup's
Suffice to say, Edward's birth date is established by a letter written
by his own mother, Joan of Kent, immediately following his birth:
Sharpe, Calendar of Letter-Books of London: D (1902): 301–311 (Folio
clxviii b.: “Letter from Johanna, Princess of Wales, to the Mayor and
Aldermen, announcing the birth of a son [Prince Edward of Angoulême,
eldest son of the Black Prince] on 27 Jan., 39 Edward III. [A.D.
1365]. Dated at the Castle of ‘Engolesme,’ 4 Feb.”).
As for Edward of Angouleme's death date, the Wigmore chronicle states
that Edward of Angoulême died about the feast of Saint Michael [29
September] in 1370. Here is an exact quote:
Wigmore Chron. sub 1370: “Circa festum sancti michaelis [29 Sept.]
obiit Edwardus filius Edwardi principis Aquitanie et Wallie in
partibus transmarinis natus ex Johanna uxore dicti principis etate sex
annorum.” [Reference: Taylor, English Historical Literature in the
14th Century (1987): 296].
The approximate ("circa") death date for Edward of Angoulême provided
by Wigmore Chronicle is within 10 days of the capture of Limoges and
the subsequent return of Edward's father to Bourdeaux. It would
appear to be an accurate date of Edward's death.
As for Edward's place of burial, the French chronicler, Froissart,
indicates young Edward died and was buried at Bordeaux, as indicated
by the two quotations below:
1. A.D. 1371: “The same season in the cyte of Burdeaux dyed the eldest
sonne of the Prince and Princesse, wherof they were right sorie as
reasone was. Than the Prince was counsayled that he shulde retourne
into Englande into his owne countre, to thentent the rather therby to
recover his helth.” [Reference: Froissart, Chron. of Froissart 2
2. A.D. 1371: “Anone after that the Prince was departed from Burdeux,
the duke of Lancastre made the obsequy of his cosyn Edwarde, sone to
the Prince his brother, the whiche was nobly done in the cytie of
Burdeux, and therat were all the barons of Gascoyne, and Poictou, such
as had sworne obeysance to him.” [Reference: Froissart, Chron. of
Froissart 2 (1901): 367.].
However, Dictionary of National Biography, 6 (1908): 508–519 states
that while Edward's funeral was held in Bordeaux after his father
returned to England, Edward was buried in London, citing Weever,
Funeral Monuments, pg. 419:
“The Black Prince’s health had by this time so entirely given way that
his physicians ordered his immediate return to England. To add to his
troubles, his eldest son, Edward, died at the beginning of 1371, in
his seventh year, while preparations were being made for the
embarkation. The loyal barons of Aquitaine were summoned to receive
the final instructions of the prince, who presented to them his
brother Lancaster as his lieutenant, and was then carried on board his
ship, leaving his son's funeral to the care of the duke. … Edward,
born at Angoulême on 27 July 1364 (Eulogium), 1365 (Murimuth), or 1363
(Froissart), died immediately before his father’s return to England in
Jan. 1371, and was buried in the church of the Austin Friars, London
(Weever, Funeral Monuments, pg. 419).”). END OF QUOTE.
Indeed Weever, Antient Funeral Monuments (1767): 204, specifically
states that Edward of Angoulême was buried in the church of the Austin
Friars in London. The information in Weever may be viewed at the
So the question is: Was Edward of Angoulême buried at Bordeaux as
maintained by Froissart, or in London as indicated by Weever who saw
The answer to this question can be found in a rather obscure source,
List of Foreign Accounts, published in 1900 by the Lists and Indexes
This source indicates that in 1388–9 [12 Richard II] King Richard II
sent Robert, Bishop of Aire, on a mission to Aquitaine to bring the
bones of Edward, the king’s brother, back to England. This
information may be viewed at the following weblink:
So it would appear that Edward of Angoulême was intiially buried in
Bordeaux as suggested by Froissart, and that his remains were
subsequently removed to England by his brother, King Richard II, for
re-burial in London.
Due to his early death, there are obviously no living descendants of
Edward of Angoulême. However, his mother, Joan of Kent, left
surviving issue by her 1st marriage and has many modern descendants.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New
World immigrants who descend from Joan of Kent and her 1st husband,
Thomas of Holand, K.G., Earl of Kent:
John Barclay, John Bevan, Essex Beville, William Bladen, Elizabeth
Bosvile, Stephen Bull, Charles Calvert, St. Leger Codd, Edward Digges,
Robert Drake, Rowland Ellis, Henry Fleete, Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth&
John Harleston, Warham Horsmanden, Patrick Houston, Anne Humphrey,
Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip&
Thomas Nelson, John Oxenbridge, Herbert Pelham, Henry& William
Randolph, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Mary Johanna
Somerset, Samuel& Samuel& William Torrey, John& Lawrence
Washington, John West, Hawte Wyatt.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Interesting then that Richard II had a tomb made for his elder brother
in 1391 at Kings Langley (see N Saul: "Richard II", 1997, p 453 n,
citing the Exchequer issue roll E403/533, 27 April).
Quite so, Derek.
There are two entries in the Exchequer issue rolls relating to the tomb in the priory church of Childs Langley (as it was then called), first on 27 April 1391 for the marble tomb "now lately ordered to be placed over the body of Edward, brother to the said now Lord the King, buried within the church of the friars preacher, of Children Langeley"; and secondly on 15 July in the same year for "procuring iron-work to be placed around the tomb of Edward, brother of our said Lord the King, at Childerlangley" [translations by Frederick Devon in _Issues of the Exchequer ... from King Henry III to King Henry VI Inclusive_ (London, 1837), pp 244 & 248].
It's peculiar that Richardson, who so loves to Google, hasn't found this for himself.
It's also peculiar (or would be for any trained and/or professional historian) that he chooses to quote Froissart in the translation by Lord Berners into Tudor English.
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