Re. Sybil de Mandeville, Le Poer, Bodrugan
- From: Tony Ingham <tony.ingham@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:19:11 +1000
Joe Cochoit wrote:
In 1255 John de Marisco answered for the fee of Woolwich under a Ralph
de Mandeville. It seems possible that Sybil and Walter are the
children of this Ralph de Mandeville. (Anyone know who this Ralph
is?) However, Hal Bradley in his database says their father was
Edmund de Mandeville citing A Survey of the Cathedral Church of
Worcester (London: 1736.), Appendix p. 77. (Anyone know who this
Edmund is?) I cannot find a free copy of this reference online, does
anyone know what this reference says?
I checked out the reference quoted above to find that it was Godfrey Giffard's will. The Edmund de Mandeville mentioned was a cleric who was later a friar at Friars Minor Worcester. The entry in the will was:
De fratribus minoribus -- Item, fratribus minoribus Wygornie c. solidos.Et fratri Edmundo de Mandevyle ejusdem ordinis xl. solidos.
Edmund, seemingly sponsored by William Giffard, Archbishop of York, when appointed to Normanton on Soar, was next found to occupy the rich prebend of Stanwick at the Cathedral church of Ripon.
1275 The Publications of the Surtees Society, Volume 109 p. 262
5 kal. Oct., (Sept. 27).
Presentation of Master Walter de Gloucestria to the church of Normanton on Sore by Peter de Ros. Inquisition ordered.
13 kal. Oct., (Sept. 19), 1275. Durham.
Presentation of Sir Edmund de Maundeville, clk., to the church of Normanton on Sore, vacant by the death of Master Henry de Melsamby, late rector. by Richard, prior, and the convent of Durham, reserving an annual pension of one mark.
4 non. Feb., (Feb. 4), 1275-6, anno 10. Extildesham.
Renunciation, in the presence of the archbishop, by Edmund de Maundeville, the presentee, of all right in the church of Normanton on Sore.
10 kal. Martii, (Feb. 20), 1275-6. Cawode.
Admission and institution of Adam de Beybur', priest, to the church of Normanton on Sore, on the presentation of the prior and convent of Durham. Mandate to the archdeacon to induct.
1279-80 The register of William Wickwane, Lord Archbishop of York, 1279-1285 p. 17
54. 6 idus Marcii (March 10, 1279-80). Wyltone.
Letter to the chapter of Ripon, asking for information about the prebend of Staynweges [Stanwick].
55. 12 kal. Aprilis (March 21, 1279-80). Burtone.
Mandate to the dean of Christianity of Ripon to sequestrate the goods of Edmund de Mandeville in the prebend of Staynweges. (1)
(1) Note at bottom of fo. 103, that on 7 kal. Aug. (July 26), 1280, a mandate had been issued at Northwelle, for the sequestration of the goods of Edmund de Maundeville in the prebend of Staneweg', "pro decima domini pape non soluta, pro reparatione domorum ejusdem prebende, necnon pro stipendio sui vicarii."
1279 The register of William Wickwane, Lord Archbishop of York, 1279-1285 p. 16
50. 14 kal. Dec. (Nov. 18, 1279). Scroby.
Collation of Sir Anthony Becke to the prebend of Staynweges, in the church of Ripon, vacant by the resignation of Eadmund de Maundeville.
The above items and the bequest from Godfrey's will are the only referencesto Edmund that I
I feel that Edmund was related to Alice Giffard's de Mandeville husband.
As regards Eltham, the following entries are of interest.
1263 Fine Roll C 60/60, 47 HENRY III.
Abt. 20 April. Westminster.
Kent. - Ernulf de Mandeville gives one mark for a writ ad terminum. Order to the sheriff of Kent.
1270 The Publications of the Surtees Society, Volume 109 p. 123
DIII. 7 id. Nov., anno 4, (Nov. 7, 1270). Notingham.
Item Aliciae de Maundevile xj£. xvjs. de firma de Eltham.
1274-5 Kent Hundred Roll Blackheath Hundred
Then they [the jurors] say that the Lord Nicholas de Leukenor stopped up a certain way which led from Mottingham towards Eltham which was a common way and has closed the same for 16 years and Sir Ernald de Mandeville's heirs keep it closed and it is an encroachment.
This Ernulf/Ernald cannot be the husband of Galiena de Dammartin, and assumed to be dead when she granted property to her two sons , John and Hugh 1254-1257. (Volume I. of Essex Feet of Fines, pp.199 and 223).