Re: Ctss Milia wife of ct Gomez González [de Manzanedo]

On 26 ago, 22:59, Brianda <gonzalezmore...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think the big problem here is that Count Gómez “El Castellano”
González (Manzanedo) is not the son of Count Gonzalo Rodríguez
(Salvadores) and Countess Elvira Ramírez, and I really don’t know who
his father was.

If we go back a couple of generations, we have Count Rodrígo Gómez and
Countess Elvira Ramírez,  The first time I have them confirmed as
married is in 1137 (Oña).   They are definitely the parents of Count
Gonzalo Rodríguez who appears, for example in 1168, 1170 as tenente in
Bureba and is not a count until 1175.   The last mention I have of
Count Gonzalo is in 1202 (Huelgas) where he declares that he is the
son of Count Rodrigo Gómez.

Count Gómez “El Castellano” González (Manzanedo) in Colección
Diplomática Riojana, appears as Dominante Calahorra in 1158, 1161,
from 1165 to 1171, and “cum sua muliere domna Milia in 1172”.

So we already have a problem here:  The one who is supposed to be
Count Gómez  González's father (Gonzalo Rodríguez) signs as tenente
already in 1168 and, as mentioned above, is not a count until 1175.
Andhis  “supposed” son Count Gómez Glz is already a tenente in
Calahorra in 1158, that is, 10 years before his “father”. .

Actually, they seem more contemporaries than father and son.

If we assume then, that Count Gómez is not the son of Count Gonzalo
Rodríguez, and that count Gómez is already attesting in 1158 as
tentente in Calahorra, then there is no problem with his marriage to
Milia Pérez de Lara, daughter of Count Pedro Glz and Countess Ava.

…..
«Gomez Gonzalvez's father was that Gonzalvo, apparently of the dynasty
of Manzanedo, who was himself attested in 1114.»
…..
I don’t think that is the case, that Count Gonzalo Rodríguez
(Salvadores) was already attested in 1114 since, as mentioned above,
his last mention alive is in Huelgas in 1202.

Regards
Mara



Milia Pérez de Lara
As says Mara, Gómez González is not Gonzalo Rodríguez´son. Probably
Gomez was older then Gonzalo, because Gonzalo was a boy when his
father died: The chart of Oña says in 1150: “Gundisalvo, infantem
dominante in Borovia”
Gomez Gonzalez could be a cousin of Gonzalo Rodriguez, or he coul be
from Cantabria. You coul read this article about Salvadores, Lara and
Manzanedo:
http://revistas.um.es/medievalismo/article/viewFile/52511/50651
Gómez González de Manzanedo died October, 12, 1.182, (Obituario of
the catedral of Burgos
Gómez González was mayordomo de Sancho III entre marzo de 1157 y
agosto de 1158, date of the king´s death
1147. Obispado de Burgos. Countess Eva dgives “fueros” to the villaje
of Tardajos. Witness: “Ego comes Malricus, una cum fratribus et
sororibus nostris Alvar Petriz et Nun Petris….comitissa domna Elvira,
Mari Petriz, Milia Petriz…” Witness: Gomez Gonzalez.
Alfonso VII gave monastery of Liébana to Gómez González and his
wife Amilia (Sánchez Belda, cartulario de Santo Toribio de Liébana,
doc. 112 .
Caoutess Milia gives this monastery to the moanstery of Oña in 1183,
an Alfono VIII confirms this donation: “ «quod scilicet monasterium
comiti Gomicio el uxori sue Amilia comitissa, una cum filiis suis et
filiabus suis (...) pro remedio anime mariti sui»
1182 Obispado de Burgos: María Manrique ( Manrique Perez de Lara´s
daughter) gives some houses to the Burgos bishop. Witness: “ Ego
cometissa domna Milia que hoc in pignis teneo, concedo et confirmo
hoc totum quod facit mea consuprina..”
1186 Agosto. “Ego comitissa domna Milia pro remisione anima mee…”
1187. Monasterio de Santa Cruz de Valcarcel: “Ego Gil Gómez, una cum
fratrubus meis vidalecit Malricus Gómez et Didacus Gómez et Xemena
Gómez…” ( Four of the six Gomez and Milia´s children, including Jimena
1199 Mon. Aguilar de Campóo: “ Ego Petrus Gómez filius comité don
Gómez…
1208, Monastery Aguilar de Campóo; “Dona Inés Gómez, filia comitis
don Gómez”
.

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