Re: Ctss Milia wife of ct Gomez González [de Manzanedo]

I think the big problem here is that Count Gómez “El Castellano”
González (Manzanedo) is not the son of Count Gonzalo Rodríguez
(Salvadores) and Countess Elvira Ramírez, and I really don’t know who
his father was.

If we go back a couple of generations, we have Count Rodrígo Gómez and
Countess Elvira Ramírez, The first time I have them confirmed as
married is in 1137 (Oña). They are definitely the parents of Count
Gonzalo Rodríguez who appears, for example in 1168, 1170 as tenente in
Bureba and is not a count until 1175. The last mention I have of
Count Gonzalo is in 1202 (Huelgas) where he declares that he is the
son of Count Rodrigo Gómez.

Count Gómez “El Castellano” González (Manzanedo) in Colección
Diplomática Riojana, appears as Dominante Calahorra in 1158, 1161,
from 1165 to 1171, and “cum sua muliere domna Milia in 1172”.

So we already have a problem here: The one who is supposed to be
Count Gómez González's father (Gonzalo Rodríguez) signs as tenente
already in 1168 and, as mentioned above, is not a count until 1175.
Andhis “supposed” son Count Gómez Glz is already a tenente in
Calahorra in 1158, that is, 10 years before his “father”. .

Actually, they seem more contemporaries than father and son.

If we assume then, that Count Gómez is not the son of Count Gonzalo
Rodríguez, and that count Gómez is already attesting in 1158 as
tentente in Calahorra, then there is no problem with his marriage to
Milia Pérez de Lara, daughter of Count Pedro Glz and Countess Ava.

…..
«Gomez Gonzalvez's father was that Gonzalvo, apparently of the dynasty
of Manzanedo, who was himself attested in 1114.»
…..
I don’t think that is the case, that Count Gonzalo Rodríguez
(Salvadores) was already attested in 1114 since, as mentioned above,
his last mention alive is in Huelgas in 1202.

Regards
Mara
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