Re: New Royal Lines for Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton

Thanks John. What I was looking for was how to trace *back in time* on the FitzNichol family, not forward. And I was saying that I did not know whether or not Katherine (FitzNichol) Poyntz had any brothers, or whether she was a co-heiress.



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From: John H <johnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: New Royal Lines for Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton

From Collins Peerage of England Vol 4 Page 336 in part reads:

"Which John married Philippa, one of the cousins and heirs of Thomas
Clanebow,
by whom he had a son, Robert Poyntz, of Iron-Acton, who married Catharine,
daughter of Thomas Berkeley, alias Fitz-Nicols,"

(Apparently known as Catherine Margret Poyntz [Source Burke's Peerage Ltd,
1965-1972), volume 1, page 579.])

" and by her left a younger son, Thomas Poyntz, of Frampton Cottrell, whose
daughter and coheir,
Margaret, was married to the aforesaid Ralph Grevill."

I show Ralph & Margaret Grevill
Had following issue:
John who married lady Jane FORSTER.
(Source is Joseph Edmondsons 1766 book of "Noble family of Greville
and..... Earls of Warwick").
(Source for marriage is Burke's Peerage Ltd, 1965-1972, volume 1, page
579. )
Humphrey (not Married)
Elizabeth (not Married)
Thomas who married Elizabeth HOLTE
William (not married)
Robert who married Elizabeth (or Ann) WINCOTT
others show two more namely:
Sir William
and
Joan

regards
John H


"wjhonson" <wjhonson@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Aug 6, 2:28 am, Matt Tompkins <ml...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
<snip>

2. There were 2 manors in Tickenham at the time of Domesday Book but in
the late 12th century they were united when the lord of one of >
them,
NicholasFitzRobert(a younger son ofRobertFitzHarding, the >
progenitor of
the Berkeleys of Berkeley) married the heiress of the > other. His
descendants (who did not acquire a stable surname until > the 14th
century, when they settled onFitzNichol) held the manor > until the
1330s
or thereabouts, when it passed (I'm not sure exactly > how) to Thomas
Basset and then to Edmund and Joan Seymour (though in > 1382
ThomasFitzNichol tried to recover it and was granted the > reversion
after
the Seymours' death).

Matt Tompkins

I have two questions on this.
Is this Nicholas FitzRobert, the same person who married a Sibyl
Somebody, had a son Ralph, who married a Matilda le Ram, and this last
couple had a son Nicholas who died in 1312 ? This line eventually did
call itself FitzNichol and are ancestral to the royal British
household in a variety of ways, but I end this line at Katherine
(FitzNichol) Poyntz at Iron Acton. I do not however have her marked
as an heiress, so it's possible the line continued, that she had
brothers, who I just haven't yet recorded.

Second question, did you mean to be vague in stating that the Manor
passed from Thomas Basset to Joan (Basset) Seymour (without going
through her father Andrew)? Or are you proposing that this Joan was a
daughter of Thomas?

Will Johnson



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