Giron
- From: mara Gonzalez Morejon <gonzalezmorejon@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:16:24 +0200
Hello Francisco,
<I can not find out who first used that Cisneros/Girón crest. Always
guessing it could have been Gonzalo Rodríguez shortly after 1216 when
he had the struggle with count Álvar Nuñez de Lara and for that same
reason might have changed any Lara's variation he may have used for
something new; but still the Cisneros must be explained.>
......
I don't have the answer yet because I haven't followed all that line, but
here is a clue taken from "Las Behetrías Castellanas" by Carlos Estepa Díez,
Vol. I, page 297
(my translation):
"The Cisneros and Saldaña lineages stem from the Girón lineage. From the
Crónica of Alfonso X we learn about ricoshombres such as *RUY GONZÁLEZ DE
CISNEROS* and Fernán Ruiz de Saldaña (Chapter XXXVI, LII). The former
comes from the large descent of GONZALO RODRÍGUEZ * and the latter could be
the son of Rodrigo Rodríguez who is confirmed as Tenente de Saldaña since
the term "Saldañá" is used in the Crónica(above) to refer to Fernán Ruiz and
Rodrigo Rodríguez, probably his brother" and most likely based on the fact
that his father held this tenencia during the reign of Fernando III".
*The footnote after the name Gonzalo Rodríguez is: The most likely
hypothesis is that Ruy González (de Cisneros) is the son of *Gonzalo
González the brother of Rodrigo Glz Girón*".
Another footnote on the Saldaña, quoting Doc. 561 in Las Huelgas:
"According to a document in 1270, there is a Rodrigo Rodríguez son of
Rodrigo Rodríguez de Saldaña who transacts a sale in Bañuelos de Bureba.
What I have in my database is (as I said, I have not completed documenting
this line, it is what I interpret and have to document further):
1) Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (+c 1234) + Sancha Rodríguez, among the
children:
2) Rodrigo González Girón (+1256), married to Berenguela López (will get
back to her later). Parents of:
3) Gonzalo González Girón married to Teresa Arias (daughter of Arias Glz
de Quesada and María Froilaz) parents of:
3.1. Gonzalo Rdz, Maestre de Santiago married to Elvira Díaz de Castañeda.
This couple had two sons (at least). One of them was Gonzalo Rdz Girón,
and another one was RODRIGO GLZ DE SAN ROMÁN.
On this last one:
1282, sept. 1 (Benavides): *Roy Glz de San Román* and his wife Elvira reach
an agreement with the monastery in connection with the churches in Villacid..
He declares that he is the son of Gonzalo Roiz. Mentions as his uncle
Rodrigo González, mentions his grandmother Teresa Arias as the daugher of
María Flórez. I have this Roy Glz de San Román and his wife Elvira, as the
parents of Gonzalo Rdz Girón who married María "La Raposa" Téllez de
Meneses. (Not documented yet).
and
3.2. Rodrigo González Girón (son of Gonzalo Glz Girón and Teresa Arias)who
appears in the Monastery of Benavides (Palencia) on 24 feb 1257, declaring
himself as the son of Gonzalo González, jointly with Doña Mencía, Queen of
Portugal, acting as the executors of the will made by Teresa Arías, give the
monastery the property of Villacid.
The earliest Cisneros I have in my database is:
Arias González de Cisneros who is documented in Huelgas in 1304. He must
have died bef 1325. Married to Mencía de Manzanedo (from the Girón... I have
her as the daughter of Gonzalo Gómez de Manzanedo and Sancha Ibáñez de
Guzmán. Paternal grandparents: Gómez Rodríguez de Manzanedo and Mencía
Pérez. This last Gómez Rodríguez I have as the son of Rodrigo Rodríguez
Girón (son of Rodrigo Gutiérrez Girón and María de Guzmán) and Inés Pérez.
That's the line I mentioned in an earlier thread based on documentation in
Sta. María de la Vega).
Son of Arías and Mencía would be Juan Rodríguez de Cisneros married to
Mencía de Padilla
Now, going back to Berenguela López, and this brings us to the Haros.
In the introduction to collection of charters of Benavides, the author I
believe mistakenly says that Rodrigo González Girón married twice, curiously
enough, his 2 wives would be, Berenguela López de Salcedo as the first wife
and mother of Gonzalo González Girón, who he claims is the daughter of
Sancho García de Salcedo (I don't have him documented)
The second wife, would be Berenguela López de Haro, daughter of Lope
"Cabeza Brava" Díaz de Haro and Infanta Urraca Alfonso.
I have several reasons for doubting this and believe that both Berenguelas
are one and the same person, and I’m just thinking out loud here:.
Berenguela López de Haro was the sister of Queen Mencía (married to Sancho
II of Portugal).
Why would Mencía López de Haro be one of the executors of Teresa Arias'
will and act jointly with Rodrigo Glz Girón, who according to the author of
the prologue to the Charters of Benavides, would not be the son of Mencía
López de Haro but of a Berenguela López de Salcedo?
Another point, Lope "Cabeza Brava" Díaz de Haro had a son out of wedlock,
Diego López de Salcedo who is very close to Queen Mencía, his half sister.
He appears very often in documentation, for example in 1255 in Villamayor
de los Montes, confirming as Merino Mayor de Castilla.
In 1257 (Col. Diplo. Riojana) he appears jointly with Mencía again.
In the following page, you can see an interesting article on Mencía with
lots of mentions on Diego López de Salcedo.
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/public/01350542033359287867680/p0000001.htm
Well, I started with the Girón and ended up with the Haros...
Best regards,
Mara
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