Re: Lara
- From: taf <taf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 21, 7:46 am, "M.Sjostrom" <q...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The question is the identification between the 978 Gonzalvo Garzia and the 1011 Gonzalvo Garzia
No, it is not that simple.There is no direct evidence that Munio
Gonzalez and Salvador Gonzalez are sons of the 1011 Gonzalo Garces, so
there are two hypotheses in your chain. Others ignore/are unaware of
the 1011 man (what is your source for this, by the way) and just
directly link the two brothers to the 978 countling. (Let me add that
in the Vajay charts, they make the brothers uncle and nephew, with an
intervening hypothetical Gonzalo Gonzalez, son of Gonzalo Garces and
father of Salvador.)
* somehow the high-medieval Lara dynasty of counts had tradition of kinship/descent from counts of Castile
Well, it would be more accurate to say that the late-medieval Lara
dynasty was assumed to so descend. Earlier the family traced to a
group of legendary founders (and it differed from legend to legend).
Apparently, Gonzalo Fernandez, father of Fernan Gonzalez of Castile,
held lands in Lara, and this was taken by centuries of historians to
suggest that the later holders of Lara descended from the former. Of
course, such logic forgets feudalism (or any other form of land
transfer), where the counts of Castile could just as well have granted
it to a vassal as to a younger branch.
You keep trying to make this nice, neat and simple. It can't be done.
For example, the hypothesis of Canal with regard to Jimena Munoz
basically takes the same basic aproach, and makes her sister of the
Lara founder, but ends up reaching an incompatible conclusion with
regard to the pedigree. Vajay in following this makes the Lara
founder the great-grandson of the Munio who is made son of Gonzalo
Garces, while the Torres Sevilla line would have there be just one
intervening generation. Who does he then match? The supposed father
of Jimena? Or were there two counts Munio Gonzalez, one father of
Rodrigo Gonzalez and Jimena, and the other of Gonzalo Nunez de Lara.
If so, where does the disconnect occur in the Vajay hypothesis?
Because so many of the connections being drawn amount to little more
than poorly explained games of connect the dots, it is almost
impossible to resolve such conflicts in a satisfactory manner,
frustratingly so when even the same authors report seemingly
conflicting information.
taf
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- References:
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- From: M.Sjostrom
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