- From: Francisco Tavares de Almeida <francisco.tavaresdealmeida@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:38:18 -0700 (PDT)
On 21 Jun, 03:00, taf <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A - Girón (Girón de Cisneros)
I understand it was Salazar y Acha who demonstrated that it was Torono family (and NOT the Lara) which produced Sancha Rodriguez, the (first) wife of Gonzalo Rodriguez Giron, the Castilian royal mayordomo
Well, sort of, except her name was really Teresa. Somehow her name and
that of her sister got altered over the succeeding centuries.
1. Rodrigo González I
Count, repopulated and gave name to Ciudad Rodrigo (actual Castilla-
León, between Salamanca and the portuguese border) and Castelo Rodrigo
(Beira, Portugal). Seemingly Alfonso VI 1072-1109 entrusted him with
the repopulation about 1100. This is far from guaranteed, mainly for
Castelo Rodrigo and there is contradictory information that says this
is wrong and goes so far as doubting that the territory - possibly
identified with the old roman town Miróbriga - was within the
boundaries of Alfonso VI.
But es-Wikipedia cites a document of 1136 when the inhabitants of
Salamanca bought the village of “civitatem de rodric”. This allows a
(very) rough estimate for Gonzalo I:
* est. 1070
2. Gonzalo Rodríguez I
* est. 1110 (as found in some websites); still living in 1158. His
wife is admittedly unknown in earlier genealogies.
3. Rodrigo González II
* est. 1150 (idem), d. aft. 1218
Gudiel made him married to Mayor Nuñez de Lara but Salazar y Castro
disproved this without identifying Doña Mayor’s family.
Mayordomo mayor abt 1098-2016.
Queen Berenguela retired to his castle of Autillo that was besieged by
count Álvar Núnez. After the intervention of an army of Alfonso IX,
former husband of Beringuela, Rodrigo Girón and Lope de Haro commanded
the pursuiting army.
Álvar Nuñez, if ever arrested, soon was released and invoking cavalry
rights to defy his ennemies, fought and beat them (in a tournament?) -
Girón, Haro and Tellez de Menezes - and soon return to his rebellious
activities dying in 1219 when besieging a town, killed by a stone from
the besieged castle (version 1), killed by a treason concocted by his
ennemies (version 2), died of a quick illness (version 3).
4. Gonzalo Rodríguez II
* est. 1190 (idem), d. 1234 (the first sound date).
He enjoyed royal favor due to his father’s services.
Everibody made him married to Sancha Rodríguez de Lara, until Salazar
Acha disproved it and identified her as Sancha Rodríguez de Toroño.
5. Rodrigo González III
* est. 1190, d. Feb. 1256.
Married I María Froilaz
6. Gonzalo Rodríguez III
* est. 1220
Married Teresa Arias Quijada
7. Gonzalo Rodríguez IV (if right, marks the collapse of patronymic
* est. 1250
17. Master of Saint James
Married Elvira Díaz de Castañeda.
This is found in countless sites but brings problems, factual,
historical and chronological; however there is no point in addressing
B - Girón (the “Alfonso” [!!!] family, as Charles Cawley’s Medlands)
1. Alfonso Díaz, d. c. 1124/1128
Count. Attested 984, 997, 1006
Married María N...
2. Gutierre Alfonso, d. aft. 1058
Count of Cea 1048.
Married Goto N...
3. Tello Gutiérrez, d. aft. 20.8.1100
Mayordomo to Alfonso VI 15.10.1071-Jan.1075
4. Gutierre Téllez
Married Urraca Díaz
5. Rodrigo Gutiérrez Girón, d. 1193, bur. Palencia’s Cathedral
Mayordomo mayor to Alfonso VIII, king of Castile, 30.7.1173-28.7.1193
Married I María Rodríguez, dau.of Rodrigo Muñoz de Gúzman and wife
Married II Jimena Osorio, dau.of count Osorio Martínez and wife Tereza
(from marriage I)
6. Gonzalo Rodríguez de Girón * abt 1165, d. bef 1234
Mayordomo of Alfonso VIII 11.4.1198-29.12.1216 and of Fernando III ‘el
Married I Tereza Rodríguez, dau. of Rodrigo Fernández de Toroño and
wife Aldonza Pérez
Married II Marquesa Pérez de Villalobos
(from marriage I)
7. Rodrigo González de Girón * abt 1190, d. 1256, bur. Benevides
Mayordomo mayor of Fernando III 31.8.1238-28.2.1246 and
15.5.1248-25.4.1252, conqueror of the town of Carmona.
Married I María Froilaz, dau.of count Froila Ramírez and wife Sancha
Married II Teresa López, widow of Nuño Sanchéz de Aragón, dau.of Lope
Díaz de Haro, señor soberano de Viscaya and wife Urraca Alfonso de
Married III Berenguela López, his sister-in-law.
It is now clear that Girón A.3 was confounded with Girón B.6 and the
first one was the Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón that died 1195 in the battle
of Allava as found in the several websites, v.g. Cisneros
There is no doubt that in this Girón A, Rodrigo González I, is well
sourced and had an adventurous life, from ‘Tenente’ of Toledo under
Alfonso VI to a pilgrim in the Holy Land where he lived some time and
built a castle and returned to die; in between served Ramíro de
Navarra and the emir of Córdoba as seen in _Historia de los Reyes de
Castilla y León_ of the chronicler Prudencio de Sandoval (1557-1620)
A somehow different version in details but coincident in substance is
given by Martín Fernández de Navarrete (1765-1844) in _Españoles en
Also I see no reason to doubt A-7. And A-8 as both wifes Teresa Arias
Quijada and Elvira Díaz de Castañeda are not present in B line.
With the necessary cautious because I never saw Salazar Acha, it seems
that this confusion started when 2 different Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón
were conflated, also reflected in their fathers and descendants (1st
generation up and 2 down for most of cases).
Once the confusion was firmly established, Salazar Acha found that the
marriage to Sancha Nuñez de Lara was clearly wrong, but - again if my
hypothesis is correct - it was a red herring as the question was not
the wrong wife but two different couples.
Salazar y Castro in _Historia Genealogica de la Casa de Lara_ already
has Gonzalo Rodríguez, mayordomo of Alfonso VIII and Fernando III son
of Rodrigo González who died 1195 in the battle of Allava, this being
contradictory with the Rodrigo Gutiérrez who died in 1193 and is
buried in Palencia.
Once the two Gonzalo Rodríguez are disentangled and the improbabilty
of Lara’s marriage for a son of father who was injusticized and spent
part of his life fighting the count of Lara is removed, we may go back
to Salazar y Castro and, mainly to Gurdiel and observe
dispassionately the evidence for the Lara marriage that I found very
convincing as it is based in a deed of 1200 where Sancha Nuñez is
shown a sister of Rodrigo Rodríguez and both sons of another Rodrigo
Then go back to line I and adjust the chronology. It has 4 agnatic
generations estimated 40 years each but we know that Gonzalo Girón was
already married in 1200 and certainly born before the estimated 1190,
what makes the chronology smoother. And due to the rigid patronymic
system and the historically attested Rodrigo González I, even if we
retire the 1158 mention to Gonzalo Rodríguez I, we can safely
postulate him even if unmentioned (not guaranteed as he could have
been mentioned in 1151).
A bit more complicated will be to expunge the next generations down
and make the reconstruction until Gonzalo Rodríguez III what I will
I am only feeling somehow uneasy with Ruy (=Rodrigo) González Girón
III, vassal of Juán Núñez II (de Lara) who was the chief of the
lineage about the end of XIII but I think Sánchez de Mora is here
following Salazar y Castro and this is lateral to his work.
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