Re: clan of Vimara Peres

On Jun 14, 11:21 am, Francisco Tavares de Almeida
<francisco.tavaresdealme...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 14 Jun, 16:18, taf <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
re about the same age but once removed.



Is the same true
for Ramiro being raised by Diego and Oneca or is there direct
testimony of this?

taf

I do not know. São Payo says so without sources and in the same phrase
adds they were "said" foster-brothers. This suggests that he endorses
the first but simply repeats the second.
[Now São Payo does not say Diego and Onega but "raised with the
children of his grandaunt Onega" exactly the same he says in another
context when says that the blind infante Bermudo, who first ran away
to Astorga finished his days in the region of Viseu near his niece
Ortega;

Is this the supposed wife of Gustioz Gonzalez? If so, I have little
faith that she existed at all.

Some other points could also be adressed and certainly deserve further
investigation for somedy with time and interest. For instance M.
Sjostrom mentioned a brother of Diego Fernandez, active in Lugo as a
doubt for his castilian origin. Of course M. Sjostrom does not know
that if nothing more is known about Diego's father he was important as
he is one of the 4 testimonies of a donation of Alfonso III in 867,
signing after Pedro 'Tehon' and before count Rodrigo of Castile being
a different person than Ero Fernández father, by that time long living
in Galiza. And there are other reasons to discard this brothership.

I too am ambivalent about it. Their association as brothers dates
from at least as far back as Saez, but it was never all that strong,
and Ero seems to be significantly older than Diego, or rather, the
children of Ero seem half-a-generation older than those of Diego. For
example, Ero's daughter married Gutierre Menendez, and then their
daughter married Diego's son, Jimeno. Likewise a daughter of Ero
married Gonzalo Betote, and their son Hermengildo then married Diego's
daughter Mumadomna. In fact, I haven't looked into this closely, but I
wonder if this could resolve a problematic marriage. Ero's daughter
Gugina married Godesteo Fernandez, identified as her uncle, the
brother of Ero and Diego. Now if we break the kinship between Diego
and Ero, and make Diego the younger, then Ero's daughter could have
married a brother of Diego without offending the sensibilities of the
church. will have to look into this and see what the bases were for
making Godesteo a sibling of one, the other, or both. Back to the
original question, such a difference in age doesn't mean they couldn't
be brothers, and I still sometimes think of them as such, but I do not
think this is one of the stronger hypotheses.

taf
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