Re: An interesting note - definitely off topic
- From: jimpup@xxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:27:23 -0500
This is but another example of how Diana is always right and everyone?else is wrong.
If you did not want the e-mails to be made public why did you send them?
There some very tacky remarks in those e-mails.
Jim Malone
-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: RE: An interesting note - definitely off topic
Jim,
Even though none of this is any of your business, and I do not owe you or this
list an explanation for how I run MEDIEVAL-GEN, I would like to clear the air on
just what happened here -- given that this was all private communications
offlist and should never have been make public.
I never called anyone a "liar, " though I did imply to one subscriber that I
didn't believe her. However, this was a one-on-one private communication
between the two of us, not an interchange on the list, so she is the one
exagerating and publicizing the claim, to her own detriment IMO.
This individual, by her own declaration a "newbie," had posted a message
including commercial links, so I put her on moderation, so I could talk with her
before she posted again. She insisted she *could not* remove the links, that
she had no control over them. These were links to commercial sites she owns or
at least is an agent for (her name is on the web sites; I don't know if that
means she owns the companies or just works them - and the companies are not
remotely related to genealogy). Also, she had posted several prior messages
that *didn't* include the offending links. I will leave it to you whether you
find her claim credible that she *couldn't* remove the links from her personal
emails. However my belief was moot because unless she removed the commercial
links, her messages weren't going to go through to the list. This is not my
rule, it's RootsWeb's rule, and it's one of the benefits of a RootsWeb list that
subscribers aren't subjected to advertising. In the end, she chose to unsub
herself. Her prerogative.
In the other case, the one you, Jim, messaged me offlist about -- despite the
fact that you weren't and aren't a subscriber to MEDIEVAL-GEN -- had to do with
a different subscriber, but one who, as it turned out, also seems to be not
entirely familiar with how mailing lists work.
Anyone with any experience on mailing lists knows that disputes over what is or
is not copyrighted invariably turn into pointless, endless arg
uments, so the
moment this off-topic topic arose, I put the list on temporary moderation. I
was able to direct those involved to the COPYRIGHT mailing list, and then I took
the list off moderation. Please note: Everyone who posted an on-topic message
during the moderation period had their message go through.
The unfortunate thing was that this member appeared not to understand that when
a list is moderated, there's a delay between the time a message is posted and
when it is delivered to the subscribers (because the listadmin has to read and
release each message). That's why I announced to the list that it was on
moderation, so subscribers would understand the delay. Moderation is not a
reprimand or punishment, it's a management tool, and the fact is most admins
don't tell the list it's being moderated. People just think their messages are
delayed due to a server overload or something. I prefer to let subscribers
know, though I may reconsider that policy.
In this case, the person posted three messages during the moderation period and,
because her messages didn't immediately arrive on the list, she assumed I had
unsubbed her. She assumed this despite the fact that if I had unsubbed her, 1)
the server would have immediately sent her an unsub notice, and 2) any listadmin
would have messaged her to discuss the problem long before unsubbing her. In
other words, no one gets unsubbed "out of the blue." But, when her messages
didn't appear and she thought she'd been unsubbed, it threw her into what I can
best describe as a "snit," a state she seems to have been in ever since. I have
done my best to explain to her what really happened, but there seems to be no
reasoning with her, much less placating her. And it does appear she has gone so
far as to solicit sympathy from others offlist, because that's when you, Jim,
appeared on the scene. I didn't *do* anything to this person to warrant her
acrimony. I didn't unsub her, and I didn't threaten to unsub her. In the end
she unsubbed herself. Her prerogative.
MEDIEVAL-GEN has over eighty subscribers, only three of which have had any
complaints. That two of them are the ones mentioned above and that they have
left the list suits me just fine. That any of you would drag these matters onto
a public list says a good deal more about you than it does me.
Diana
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