RE: OT

That's what I said, that a listadmin has no power to moderate members when a
list is gatewayed to a newsgroup.

When you backquote someone's message in your post, as you have just done to me,
your message can be considered as being directed at that person, as well as to
the list. If you don't want your messages to appear directed at a particular
person, don't backquote them.

I thought you said you were done. For someone who ostensibly wants this thread
to end, you seem remarkably determined to keep it going.


-----Original Message-----
From: gen-medieval-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Renia
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:54 PM
To: gen-medieval@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: OT

Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote:
This list habitually tolerates off topic threads, not to
mention long bouts of
mud-slinging, so I don't know where the boundaries are. It
is the prerogative
of the list admin, not the subscribers, to declare a thread
OT and call a halt
to it. I will stop any time the list admin asks me to. In
the meantime, I will
respond to messages sent to me. If you want the thread to
end, stop posting to
it. If you want me to shut up, stop posting to me.


I do not subscribe to gen-medieval.

Its subscribers' messages are gatewayed and relayed to the
newsgroup I
do subscribe to, which is: soc.genealogy.medieval

A newsgroup is not moderated and there are many different ways of
posting to a newsgroup.

Firstly, through the newsgroup itself.
Secondly, by subscribing directly to gen-med.
Thirdly, by posting on-line, through Google groups.

Of these three methods, only gen-med itself can be moderated, if the
listowners choose to do so. Otherwise, because of the triple gateway,
moderation is a waste of time, so it is up to individual
posters whether
they get involved in OT threads, and to what extent. Because of the
triple gateway, only gen-med itself has a list admin.

I, personally, do not personally respond to your messages. I do not
click on your email address to ensure you read what I have written. I
respond to posts only in soc.genealogy.medieval. If you are
seeing what
I have written, then it is because of the gateway.

I'm surprised, that as a listowner yourself, you seem to have little
idea of how usenet actually works.


-----Original Message-----
From: gen-medieval-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of
david11000carca@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:53 AM
To: gen-medieval@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: OT

On Nov 6, 2:23 pm, "Diana Gale Matthiesen"
<Dian...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The problem doesn't happen on my lists because I call a
halt to an off topic
thread with the first message, with the threat that anyone
who replies to it
will be moderated. Because everyone knows that's what will
happen, no one
bothers to start anything. I've only had to call a halt to
a thread once in the
last several years (on about a dozen lists). There is also
a tagline at the
bottom of every list message that warns to stay on topic.

It also matters considerably whether the OT message was
designed to be
inflammatory or was simply a conversation that has drifted.
I won't interfere
with the latter unless it goes on too long, with no end
in sight.

The list admins here are severely handicapped because, as
far as I know, they
have no threat of moderation (or banning) to hold over
anyone's head.
Although I didn't start the thread about Obama's I.Q., I do
apologize to the
list and the list admins for participating in it. OTOH,
I'd also like to
request that my fellow subscribers not bring up politics.
Or, if they do, not
to say something that is demonstrably untrue because I
share Will's intolerance
of errors.

Diana
Smacks of double standards to me!

On your lists you'd ban anyone who replied to a topic that you've
deemed as OT, yet you're more than happy to post numerous
OT messages
on another unmoderated list

And as you will doubtless want the last word the floor is yours






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