Re: Questions regarding different genealogical societies
- From: "Kate Stromsted" <kestro2@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:32:43 -0500
It's fortunate that my uncle found this particular lineage being completely
unrehearsed in the faux noble line culture of Sweden (I'm assuming one
exists there; the US can't be the only country with such an abundance of
fake royal lines.) All we ever knew about my great-grandmother's forebears
was that they were farmers. Lisa Carlsdotter's link to nobility came as a
total surprise for my uncle when he viewed her baptism record, recorded at
the Haggenas parish in 1780. She was recorded as Elisabeth
Planting-Bergloo, daughter of Carl Planting-Bergloo and Maret Larsdotter.
Unless baptism registers in Sweden are frequently wrong/contain false
information I see no reason to doubt her parentage. If it were based on
some secondary source/some sort of family story, then I'd take it worth a
grain of salt as I often end up doing with putative royal/noble lineages.
However, since her parentage is attested to in a legitimate primary source,
I don't yet find it suspect. Of course, that could change.
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM, M.Sjostrom <qsj5@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a certain reminiscence about nrs 1-11. hmmm.
Leo's source had been what?
Scandinavian nobles assumed surnames mostly only around 1600. Earlier
surnamings are usually bound to be anachronistic...
1. Hakon V Magnusson, King of Norway, mistress whose name is not
2. Agnes Hakonsdotter of Borgarsyssel=Baron Hafthor Jonsson of Sudreim
3. Jon Hafthorson of Sudreim =Birgitta Knutsdotter of Fånö
4. Ulf Jonsson of Ervalla=NN
5. Katarina Ulfsdotter of Ervalla=Tord Peterson Bonde
6. Marta Tordsdotter=Bengt Henningsson Konigsmark, lord of Brones
7. Katarina Bengtsdotter Konigsmark= Jon/Johan Nielson Gedda
8. Kristina Jonsdotter of Faldenes=Arvid Birgerson Trolle, lord of
Bergkvara (desc. of Knud, Duke of Estonia)
9. Erik Arvidson Trolle, lord of Fånö=Karin Eriksdotter of Fogelvik and
10. Beata Eriksdotter Trolle=Baron Gabriel Kristiernsson [Oxenstierna],
lord of Morby
11. Baroness Anna Gabrielsdotter Oxenstierna =Hans Claesson Kyle
particularly the Planting-Bergloos and Hammarskjölds were petty nobility,
likes of whom occasionally hav even fatal errors in their Elgenstierna
12. Claes Hansson Kyle=Hillevi Posse (desc. of King Hakon V and Knud, Duke
13. Margareta Kyle=Baron Ake Ulfsparre
14. Baron Ake Ulfsparre=Baroness Kerstin Stake (desc. of King Hakon V and
Knud, Duke of Estonia)
15. Baroness Hedvig Ulfsparre=Carl Gustaf Hammarskjold
16. Hedvig Magdalena Hammarskjold=Carl Mikael Planting-Bergloo
17. Mikael Johan Planting-Bergloo=Chatarina Elisabeth Planting-Bergloo (see
18. Carl Planting-Bergloo=Maret Larsdotter (see note 2)
19. Elisabeth Carlsdotter=Johan Eriksson (see note 3)
20. Karl Johansson=Brita Olofsdotter
21. Brita Karlsdotter=Anders Jonsson
22. Marta Christina Jonsson=Lars Eriksson
How much of this 'frillodotter' Lis Karlsdotter is like a family belief,
and then realistically how much an attested daughter of a real nobleman ?
In those days, plenty of orphans and such seemingly invented a noble
progenitor for themselves. Please read the story of Lolotte Forsberg. And
others of that caliper.
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