INGIBJORG WIFE OF KING MALCOLM III OF SCOTLAND
- From: "M.Sjostrom" <qsj5@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
I have been aware of the 'great' find of Copenhagen. That parentage is of course *possible* - I understand McEwen has not more than it's possible, not going to confirm it really fully proven.
Namely, however, the Man Chronicle, which apparently did not mention Ingibiorg Haakonsdottir of Orkney specifically, states that king Amhlaib's (Olav) other children, including Raghnailt inghen Amlaibh, king Somhairle's wife, were by concubines, only his eldest son Godfraid mac Amhlaib being born of the sole chronicle-mentioned wife, Aufreca.
It must be asked whether a high-born wife, Ingibiorg Haakonsdottir of Orkney, would have really treated as a concubine....
So, the worse scenario is that Raghnailt was born of some concubine, and not Ingibiorg who was a wife.... And there vanishes the blood descent.
Had Raghnailt been Ingibiorg's daughter, still we have a small uncertainty whether the requisite lineage from Somhairle really descended from her...
And, by the way, the Copenhagen find is NOT a near-contemporary evidence, but (as of 1300 CE) is separated by more than a century from Raghnailt herself.
Also, the lineage from kinglet Somhairle to contemporaneously-attested later lords of the Isles pass through a few generations which are lineated in folklore-like things and not in contemporary material.
Thus, this lineage seemingly lacks real contemporary evidence in a few key points.
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Earls of Orkney to the Strathearn-Sinclair family:
The Angus dynasty of Orkney really lacks a contemporary attestation of its descent link from the Norse earls of Orkney.
And the Strathearn family lacks a contemporary attestation of the precise parentage of its ancestress who they claim to have passed the blood descent from Norse earls of Caithness and Orkney...
I remind of the possibility that in scandinavian inheritance system, in certain situations blood relatives from the other side of ancestry than the side where a succession came, were possible heirs. Succession to Orkney lands as some sort of cousin does not thus guarantee that the successor-cousin was descendant of so-called 'original grantee'... The blood link may have been lost.
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so, is there really any reliably-attested descents from Thorfinn II ???
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