RE: bridging the Dark Ages in Europe genealogically

Thank you, Joe. I'm very much the plodding, prove it step-by-step type of
genealogist, so I don't think I'll be adding this to my database, yet. The fact
that I've started six DNA projects is a measure of the fact that I want to my
family's pedigree to be firmly established (dare I say, "proven"?). As I said
earlier, *no one* can be certain they don't have an NPE, unless they get tested,
no matter how solid their paper genealogy.

The NPE rate in my projects is running about 10%, and these are mostly European
Americans trying to connect to their immigrant ancestor, who is going to be no
more than 10-15 generations back. The further back you try to connect, the more
generations there are available to have been an NPE. Some say the probability
is 1% per generation, and so far my projects bear that out. On the flip side,
90% of people are supporting genetically what they had compiled on paper.
There's no reason DNA testing can't work to support or debunk deep ancestries,
too. A "Medieval Lineages" project would be a fascinating one to run.

These lineage societies that have just been discussed would be the ideal basis
for such a project (or projects) by simply testing all their members -- and
henceforth requiring a test to gain membership. I wonder how many of those
members would be willing to put their membership at risk by being tested? Even
the D.A.R. has now embraced DNA testing.


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From: gen-medieval-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of joseph cook
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:36 PM
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Subject: Re: bridging the Dark Ages in Europe genealogically

On Oct 1, 10:39 am, "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <Dian...@xxxxxxxxxx>
Is this lineage generally accepted as proven?  If so, we're
cousins -- MRCA,
Richard de CLARE -- and my ancestry has just been
catapulted back 500 years.
Whee!  But... how well supported is the lineage?

It's generally considered sound. I suppose if you define "proof" the
way some others do (that it isn't really proven that your father is
your father), then nothing is proven. Maybe we're all in the Matrix!

The lines back to the Irish Kings are probably the oldest direct lines
that anyone who claimed to be a "serious" genealogist would even
consider printing and putting on their wall. Even then, they
*barely* meet your definition of "bridging the dark ages". There are
none older (in Europe at least) that don't have serious leaps of faith
and conjecture.

Perhaps the best way to put it is that there is contemporary evidence
that "supports" each link, and that there is nothing to cast
aspersions against it, except the general "it was a long time ago, and
who really knew who was breeding with who".