Re: Magruder ...
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- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:09:50 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 11, 4:19 pm, Charles Ellson <char...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:56:42 -0400, Nathaniel Taylor
"AaronParmen...@xxxxxxxxx" <AaronParmen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 11, 10:06 am, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Note that it is incorrect and misleading to continue to refer to her
"The ancestress of the Magruders in America has been designated in Clan
Yearbooks as Lady Margaret Campbell, in courtesy of her descent from the
2nd Earl of Argyll, in the manner that daughters of peers are honored.
She also could be styled Margaret Campbell, Lady Balmaclone or
Belliclone, from the heritable interest in the lands that were granted
jointly to Margaret and her husband Andrew Drummond.
[Dr. Charles G. Kurz, Clan Librarian, "The Ancestral History of
of Keithick (1571-c.1631)," page 64, YEARBOOK OF THE AMERICAN CLAN
GREGOR SOCIETY, (1978). See online at:
Kurz was wrong about this.
The great-granddaughters (by illegitimate descent) of peers are NOT
entitled to be called "Lady firstname lastname": this style is used ONLY
for the daughters of dukes.
As for the territorial designation, it might have been correct to call
her "lady of Balmaclone," but this is a different form of reference: she
would have been called "Margaret Drummond, lady of Balmaclone", which is
very different from "Lady Margaret Campbell."
Unlike e.g. "Lord" etc in the case of men, it has been quoted a number
of times in the media when reporting from prosecutions of offences
involving the use of names in the style "Lady <whatever>" that so long
as impersonation is not involved there is no law against a woman
choosing to be known that way irrespective of any absence of noble
As Nat said, by the 'rules', it is incorrect. If, as you suggest, the
rules are just suggestions and anyone can be called Lady, then it adds
no distinction whatsoever, and its selective use is misleading,
implying a distinction where none exists. Either way, then, its use
for this one particular individual is out of order.
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