Re: Sister of Adam Fitz Swain

John Watson wrote:
On Mar 13, 7:20 am, Merilyn Pedrick <merilyn.pedr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear John
Here are the notes I have for Adam fitz Peter de Birkin, which have him
married to Matilda or Maud de Cauz.
........"recovered 24 carucates in Birkin and the soc of Snaith by wager
of battle, in or before 1179 [the claim for same theorised by Farrer to
be based on the maritagium of his mother][1] at time of 1166 assize,
held of Henry de Lacy 1 knight's fee[1] 'ego Adam filius Petri et uxor
mea Matilda de Calz', granted a mill at Stainborough to Pontefract:
witnessed by brothers Thomas and Roger, and son Robert[Chart. St. John
II:423, chart. CCCXIX[4] ] also, a charter for a bovate in 'Little
Midgley' and other lands to Pontefract, with concession by his son
Robert [Chart. St. John II:426, chart. CCCXXIII[4] ] also, a charter for
5 acres in 'Byrkine' and other lands to Pontefract [Chart. St. John
II:424, chart. CCCXX[4] ]
also, a charter for 1/2 bovate in Fairburn to Pontefract [Chart. St.
John II:424, chart. CCCXX[4] ]
'Adam filius Petri de Byrkin', made gift by a charter with the
concession of his son and heir John [son Robert having previously died]
of a buck or doe every year from his park of Birkin to Pontefract:
witnesses: "Hiis testibus, Roberto le Vavasur, Thoma filio Petri,
Johanne f[ilio] Petri, Petro et Rogero fratribus suis,.." [Chart. St.
John II:427, No. CCCXXV[4] ] gave lands of Leeds to his brother Thomas
fitz Peter [Kirkby's Inquest, p. 38[5]] first husband of Maud de Cauz[6]"
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick

John Watson wrote:
Hi all,
I was looking on Google Books today, and came across a statement in
'The English and the Normans: Ethnic Hostility', by Hugh M. Thomas -
Oxford University Press, 2003, page 129, (limited preview) that Adam
fitz Peter of Birkin, "may have married first a sister of Adam son of
Swain". No reference is given for this statement.
Does anyone here know of any evidence which supports this assertion
that Maud, the first wife of Adam de Birkin was a sister of Adam fitz
Swain?
Maud was the mother of Adam's son Robert, who d.v.p. and possibly of
his daughters, Juliana, a nun at Haverholme in Lincolnshire and the un-
named daughter who married Robert le Vavasour.
Regards,
John
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Hi Merilyn,

Thanks for that. The lady in question, and possibly the sister of Adam
fitz Swein was Adam fitz Peter's first wife, also confusingly called
Matilda or Maud. She died some time before 1175. Around 1175 Adam
married Maud de Cauz, by whom he had four sons. Adam died around the
end of 1184 or early 1185 when Maud married secondly Ralf fitz
Stephen, the king's chamberlin.

Regards,

John
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Well, I see I'm going to have to make some changes. I have Matilda de Cauz as the mother of John de Birkin who married Joan l'Enveise, and NN de Birkin who married Robert le Vavasour. If the first Maud/Matilda was the mother of the NN daughter, what about John?
Merilyn
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