Re: Margery Pecche or Clifford, wife of Nicholas Criol

On Feb 12, 10:40 pm, mj...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Will Johnson has kindly contacted me to make some observations in
respect of the various items below. I shall mark them with my
comments, taking his observations into account (Thanks Will!)

(1) PROCAT C 133/7/10 (IPM): Nicholas de Crioll alias de Curioll:
Huntingdonshire: 2 Edward I [1273-1274]

This tells us that a Nicholas de Crioll died c1273

(2) Calendar of Patent Rolls, 16 February 1272: Grant to Edward, the
King's son, of the wardship of all the lands of Nicholas de Crioll,
who held in chief, with marriage of the heir.

This tells us that the death of this Nicholas de Crioll had occurred
by early 1272, and that he left a minor son and heir.

In fact this tells us that *a* Nicholas de Crioll had occurred by
early 1272, and that he left a minor son and heir. Identifying him
with the man of the same name whose IPM is recorded for 2 Edward I is
an assumption only; for the purpose of trying to resolve this jigsaw,
I am happy to withdrawn that assumption.

(3) Calendar of Patent Rolls, 10 February 1272: Whereas Nicholas de
Cryoill, who held in chief, with the assent of the King and the
attorneys of Edward, the King's son, gave to Gilbert Peche the
marriage of Nicholas his son, and afterwards gave to his son and
Margery, daughter of the said Gilbert, whom he married, the manor of
Benhale, Suffolk, and his said son, with the assent of his father,
dowered Margery of the said manor... the King, for fifty marks paid by
Gilbert, confirms the said writings [made between Gilbert and
Nicholas] to Gilbert, Nicholas the son, and Margery his wife.

This tells us that Nicholas (who was dead by February 1272) left a
minor son,

Will points out that it is not certain from this CPR record that
Nicholas the son was necessarily a minor in February 1272. I agree.

also named Nicholas, who married Margery Peche, daughter of
Gilbert Peche.  NB the two February 1272 CPR entries seem to be in
conflict, assuming that the younger Nicholas is the son and heir named
in the entry for 16 February, since the grant of his marriage implies
that he was unmarried, whereas the entry for 10 February states he is
married [to Margery Peche].

We can at least conclude that Nicholas de Crioll (the father of
Nicholas who married Margery Pecche) was dead by February 1272.

(4) Calendar of Patent Rolls, October 1277: Mandate to Margery de
Cryoll to pay henceforth into the Exchequer the 10 pounds yearly fee
farm which by the form of her feoffment of the manor of Hinton, Cambs,
she is bound to pay in that town to the bailiffs of the honour of
Richmond.

This tells us that in 1277 there is a Margery de Crioll who is a legal
person (ie not a wife, or else her husband would be named) - she is
either a widow or a spinster.

The term 'legal person' is probably wrong here; on reflection I should
probably have said that this Margery had *legal capacity*, and was
thus either a widow or a single woman.

(5) Calendar of Patent Rolls, 26 July 1280: Mandate to Margery de
Crioll to pay to Gregory de Rokesle, to whom the King has given the
custody, during the minority of the heir, of the lands late of
Nicholas de Crioll... the farm of the manor of Hinton, which is of the
inheritance of the heir.

This tells us that Margery de Crioll of Hinton was connected in some
way to the elder Nicholas de Crioll.  She cannot be Margery de Crioll
nee Peche, wife of the younger Nicholas, since as Nicholas was still
living and under-age in 1277 (and 1280) his wife was not a 'legal
person' in the way that we have seen this Margery de Crioll then was.

Again, on its own this record simply tells us that a Margery de Crioll
was a single woman or widow in 1280, and that a Nicholas de Crioll had
died before that date, leaving an heir who was then a minor.

(6) PROCAT C133/111/19 (IPM): Nicholas Kyriel: Leicestershire, 31-32
Edward I [1302-1304].

We see another Nicholas de Crioll died circa 1303.

CP identifies this as Nicholas, the son of Nicholas de Crioll and Joan
de Auberville. It states he was still a minor in 1277, and that he
died in October 1303 leaving a son and heir, Nicholas, variously
stated at the time of his IPM to be a few weeks short of 21, or
recently turned 21.

(7) PROCAT C133/71/18 (IPM): Bertram de Crioll alias de Criolis: Kent:
23 Edward I [1294-5]

Presumably this is Bertram, the son of Margery de Crioll, named in her
will of 1319.

'Presumably' is too strong; I withdraw that. *Possibly* would be
better.

Doubtless the printed Calendars of Inquisitions Post Mortem would
provide further details of the three IPMs cited above.

Any kind souls out there have ready access to the relevant IPM volumes
and feel like putting Will and me out of our misery???

MA-R


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