Re: Ida de Tony, mother of William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury

On Jan 31, 6:36 am, t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
[childish crosspost removed]

On Jan 30, 9:32 am, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Adrian ~

I've copied below my current file note concerning Ida de Tony, wife of
Roger le Bigod, Earl of Bigod, and mother of William Longespée, Earl
of Salisbury.

The historian, Henri Malo, is the first person who noted the
connection between the Longespée and Bigod family.

Not really an accurate portrayal.  He noticed that a source called a
Ralph le Bigod brother of William Longespee. There is no indication
that he recognized any significance to this information, or concerned
himself with the Bigod family in the least. He appears to be doing
nothing but repeating what the original source said, without further
effort at genealogical analysis.

Indeed, Henri Malo insofar as he even put 2 + 2 together came up not
with 4 but with a garbled version of pi. He did not identify William
Longespee's brother Bigod properly - believing in error that Rosamund
Clifford was the mother of both men he called this person "Bigot de
Clifford".

 As you known, Ray Phair was the first to publish recognition of the
genealogical significance of this information - that it showed a
relationship between the Toeny family and William Longespee and
thereby confirmed the previously unsupported speculation regarding
the shared maternity through Ida.

And this correct speculation had been argued most persuasively by Paul
Reed - by contrast, Richardson at one stage was trying to claim that
"Countess Ida" was the same as Ada de Chaumont.

There is the second question hidden here as well. If a genealogical
tree falls in the forest, and no one hears, does it make any noise.

But in Malo's case a whole tree did not fall in the first place, he
just snapped off a twig, incidentally, that fell into lower branches,
never hitting the ground.

Peter Stewart
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