Re: Proposed Change: Beconshaw, of Moyles Court White (I00496186)

Will Johnson made me aware of John Lisle, who was not a Viscount, and why was his wife known as "the old Countess Lisle"?

I have this John Lisle in my system with the note he was a regicide.

The interesting part is that he is a descendant of Roger Mortimer, instrumental in the death of King Edward II, as well John Lisle is a descendant of King Edward I.

I found mention only of four children, and two daughters are interesting, Bridget married Leonard Hoar, 3rd President of Harvard College. The other daughter, Tryphena, married twice, a Mr. Lloyd and a Mr. Grove.

For Tryphena I have found, so far, only one daughter Elizabeth Lloyd, she married (1) Lord James Russell, son of the 1st Duke of Bedford, and (2) Sir Henry Hoghton, 5th Baronet. By her first husband I found Tryphena Russell who married Thomas Scawen.

Tryphena Russell is the mother of Tryphena Scawen who married Henry, 2nd Earl Bathurst, and they had several children, amongst them Henry, 3rd Earl of Bathurst who married Hon. Georgiana Lennox, a descendant of King Charles II. However by Hester Cripps he fathered a son, who was given a large amount of money by his mother and the same amount was offered by the Bathurst family but that money was declined because "if the then Earl of Bathurst was not man enough to recognise his own son he would not take their money".

This son, Richard Cripps is the great-grandfather of Evelyn Florence Cripps who in turn is the grandmother of Mark Anthony Peter Phillps, the first husband of the Princess Royal.

With best wishes and thanks to Will Johnson for pushing me into this direction.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia .
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Subject: Proposed Change: Beconshaw, of Moyles Court White (I00496186)


Proposed Change: Beconshaw, of Moyles Court White (I00496186)
Tree: Leo

Description: Another daughter of White Beconsaw was that Alicia Beconsaw who was beheaded 2 Sep 1685 at Winchester, also known as the old Countess Lisle; widow of John Viscount Lisle who was murdered at Lausanne, Switzerland in exile Aug 1664

Will Johnson
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