Re: Losonczi family of Transilvania
- From: Leticia Cluff <leticia.cluff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:17:17 -0400
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:01:04 -0800 (PST), "M.Sjostrom" <qsj5@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"Losonczi looks more Polish than Czek. They are
similar-sounding languages, but read differently. "
Isn't it great that the different language versions of Wikipedia are
linked to each other? The Polish name of the town can be seen here:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu%C4%8Denec
Above, would be available a satisfactory explication
how and why the Slavic version of the name were
Lucenek and close that rendition.
It is Lucenek in Slovak. Czech is close with Slovak.
Czech version would be close to Lucenek, and different
from Losoncz.
Also Polish version, if existed, would presumably be
closer to that Lucenek, than Losoncz. After all, it
seems to be well-established that Losoncz is Magyar
rendition of the name.
Hopefully no one goes to suggest that Polish is
linguistically related with Magyar language, and
closer than with, for example, Czech is with Polish.
(Such proposition would certainly be news to
researchers of languages and linguistics....)
As the linguistical relations of Polish are known, it
would be more expected to compare how Polish-like
Lucenek would sound - rather than try sounding
Losoncz.
Losoncz, being the Magyar rendition of the name, would
ONLY rather sound like Polish, or close to Polish,
presumably by HAPPENSTANCE, rather than Polish being
influence, or origin, on how that Magyar rendition of
the name came into being.
It is fairly difficult to see, how Polish -as opposed
to Czech-Slovak and Magyar- would have something
important to do with origin of that name, Losoncz, or
with origin of those families.
Of course, I would be happy, were some to present
reliable evidence about such Polish influence or even
origin... and, evidence, if Polish ethnicity somehow
happened to be background of any of those specific
families. Absent such, Slovak and Magyar would be much
more credible.
The family name is certainly Hungarian, based as it is on the
Hungarian name of the town. And although the town is now in Slovakia,
it is less than 15 km from the Hungarian border and was formerly in
Hungary, so there's no doubt that Hungarians have been one of the
ethnic elements there.
There's even a Hungarian etymology for the place, the word "ló-sánc"
meaning moat:
http://travel.spectator.sk/ss2006/03_lucenec.html
But a Slavic etymology has also been suggested, from "lúka, lúc^ina"
meaning meadow:
http://www.lucenec.sk/?id_menu=21965&firmy_slovenska_flag=0
I presume that Hungarian scholars suggest a Hungarian origin and
Slovak scholars a Slovak origin. I remain ignorant and neutral.
Likewise, I can't evaluate the following website showing the
descendants of the first palatine to title himself Losoncz:
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/losoncz.html
Tish
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