RE: crusaders


I see a lot of people asking on the web where we come from originally. I would say that all depends how far they want to go back and wicg branch of the the family they are speaking of. There are turcottes in a few other countries that have been there a while and share the name most notable among them is Whales. The welch Turcotte are believed to have arrived in the early 1300's around the time of the false accusations of Phillip the fair alleging Herasy against all those in France associated with the Poor Knights. Prior to that most of the blood line wich shares the name lived in Provence France. Prior to that in Burgundy wich be came provance. They weathered the sericen invasions and where spared do to a resemblance to the invaders. The family is said to have been founded by a man and women of great importance from the holy land some time during the first century CE, And the name originally Turcus was acquired during Roman providence. Any way I degress, But it must be noted that the original hereldric crest's center peice is the same as that use by the Poor Knights for a sigil. I do not speak of the common twins on a horse but instead of the lamb of god bearing a blue streaming banner and adorned aloft with a gold splayed cross. Wich literally translated means bearer of the blood of God and Devine providence. How ever figuratives where used in that time as well and therefore we must not draw rash conclusions of the facts at hand as some have tried in the past. I must also tell you that the name has different meaning depending on what region it is used in. For example it can mean chopped off tower in welch, in ancient norse it mean House of Thor, and in old burgundian dialect it can mean Female of the serisan (or)in newer French translation supposedly Female Turkish soldier

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From: no@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: crusaders
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:16:25 -0500
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:48:52 +0000 (UTC), FordMommaerts@xxxxxxx ("Ford
Mommaerts-Browne") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Dear Bob,
Re. Ricardus filius Torke: Torke looks, to me, to be an Anglish [sic], (or,
possibly, Danish), name, derived from Tor (Thor), which at such a time and
place, (i.e. eleventh-to-thirteenth-century Yorkshire) was not uncommon.
Re. William le Turk: With the introduction of Norman-type surnames, which
you mentioned, the insertion of a 'de', or, less frequently, a 'le', became
common practice, in an effort to climb into the dominant paradigm socially;
much the same as American immigrants of a later period would (ironically)
shorten their names. However, the forenames William and Robert, (which you
cite), being French, would seem to indicate that such was not the case for
these more Southern 'forebarers' of your surname.

Non sense.

Old records shown the name to be TURCAULT or TURQUAULT. Example:


TURCOT name found at Mouilleron-en-Pareds (Vendée) in 1610 and 1617,
but records are missing 1618 to 1700.

There is an Abel TURCAULT in the parish of St-Maurice-le-Girard, same
town.

In French, -OT or -AULT or -AUT or -EAUX etc. are common meaningless
terminations. Root is definitely TURC or TURQUE. Since family names
appeared in the 1300s, you have to think about what it could mean
at that time. It was after the crusades, so it could mean someone
with dark skin or dark hair or very strong (an expression in French
means strong as a Turk), but also many other local words.

See http://notrefamille.com/v2/services-nom-de-famille/nom.asp
for distribution of the names. Try with TURCOT (half are in Vendée),
as other variations are less common.


Denis

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