Re: Zaida (& Isabel, Jimena and the others)

Not having received a response to my previous question on the subject, I'm going to try again.

Who is this Helias/Elias/Helie count of Maine referred to in the following discussion? He is surely not the Helie of Maine who died in 1110. Kimberley LoPrete, who has recently spilled a good deal of ink on the subject of Maine appears not to know of any second marriage for him. Neither does Stewart Baldwin's page in the Henry Project show a second marriage. So who is he then?

taf wrote:

On Sep 24, 3:46 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@xxxxxxx> wrote:


On Agnes wife of Helias (Elias) de la Fleche, Count of Maine I have the following.

Firstly that William, Duke of Aquitaine and Poitou by his wife Agnes, had not one, but two sons named William, alongwith an Agnes and a Beatrice.

The elder William, in his turn also Duke of Aquitaine and Poitou died in 1058 and had at least one child Clemence who m Conrad, Count of Luxembourg

The younger William, in his turn, since his brother d.s.p.m., Duke of Aquitaine and Count of Poitou died in 1086, his wife Hildegard of Burgundy was yet living in 1120.

The Agnes who married Helias I have as a daughter to the younger William, while the Agnes who married Alphonso seems likely to fit better chronologically, and I currently have, as a daughter of the elder William.

Alternatively if the younger William really did have two wifes, first Mathilde and secondly by 1068 Hildegarde, there's no reason why he couldn't have two daughters, both named Agnes, by the two different wives.




Actually, he had three wives. Agnes wife of Alfonso is unambiguously
documented as child of William VIII by his second wife. Likewise,
Agnes, Queen of Aragon, was daughter of William VIII by his third
wife, Hildegarde.

The problem with the wife of Helias is that she is explicitly called
widow of Alfonso, and yet there are reasons to reject this. If you
choose to throw it out, then there are all kinds of possible
solutions, although making her the deceased queen of Aragon is not one
of them.

taf




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