Re: Whereabouts of the Lancelot Mansfield crest

harv2.lawref@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:17 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltay...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <1191525205.146170.308...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,



"mholl...@xxxxxxx" <mholl...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 28, 4:12 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Is the current whereabouts known for the grant of the crest of
Lancelot Mansfield (described in an early issue of the _NEHGR_)? If
not, it looks like a reference to it was made in some past issue of
the _Bulletin of the Connecticut Historical Society_ ...

http://books.google.com/books?q=%22lancelot+manfeld%22&btnG=Search+Books

Connecticut Historical Society Bulletin, Vol. 7, no. 2 (1941), pp.
10-12:

An ancient manuscript was presented to the Society a few years ago
with the following account of its history.

"This Patent for A Crest to the Mansfield Coat of Arms has been in
possession of the Windsor branch of the Phelps family "time out of
mind," and is now presented to the Conn. Hist. Society by Mr. Daniel
Phelps, who received it from his father, the late Hiram Phelps of
Windsor. Sarah Phelps, a granddaughter of Mr. William, the emigrant,
married John Mansfied, 1683; he died before his wife and none of his
name succeeded him in Windsor. His widow probably left this heraldic
parchment with the Phelps family."

... The document reads as follows:

To all and singular aswell nobles and gentils as others to whome these
presentes shall come be seene heard read & understood Willm. Flower
Esquire otherwise called Norroy principall herald and kinge of Armes
of the East west and North partes of the Realme of England from the
river of Trent northward Sendeth greetings in our Lord God ever-
lastinge. Whereas Lancelot Manfeld of Skirpenbeck in the Countie of
York Esquire is well borne and descended of worthie progenitors
bearinge signes and tokens of their race and gentrie called Armes
which likewise unto him are due by just descent and prerogative of
birth from his auncestors: ...

Interesting. According to Savage, John Man[s]feld of Windsor, with wife
Sarah Phelps, had children John (d. at age 6), Sarah, Samuel, Mary, "and
perhaps more."

Whether or not he left descendants, I'm surprised he is not currently
included in the Roll of Arms of the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry (listing
known armigers in the colonies or the US down through the 19th century).

Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net


So my dumb followup question would be: Is there a Yorkshire Archives
that would hold the documentation for such a coat of arms? It is
interesting that this document shows Lancelot Mansfield to be of
ancient gentry ancestry, although we don't even know his parents yet.
It is through his wife, Anne Eure, that Mansfield descendants,
including myself, get their royal lines.

So, how does one follow up on such a lead to get to other primary
documentation?

Apply to the College of Arms, who, for a fee, will investigate the Man(s)field arms.

The Man(s)fields (or anything similar) do not appear in the 17th century Visitation of Yorkshire, which suggests the line had died out by the time of Dugdale's visitation in 1665.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AHE1867.0001.001

However, the index to the Flower's 1567 visitation shows Mansfield as "see Dransfield". The Dransfield family of Stubbs Walden have their pedigree on page 148, but no mention of Lancelot. William Flower died in 1593. Dugdale's Visitation was begun in 1605, so this suggests the Man(s)field family had died out by then or they might have been included.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees133text.pdf

However, the same Visitation has Anne Eure married to Launcelot Myrfield (shown as Mirfield in the index).


British History online shows one Lancelot Manfield, incumbent at St James's, Ormside, Westmorland, from 1575 until his death in 1582.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=43512

Cambridge University Alumni has:

Name: Roger Manfield OR Mansfield
College: KING'S
Entered: 1544
More Information: Adm. at KING'S, a scholar from Eton, 1541. Matric. 1544; B.A. 1545-6. Fellow, till 1546-7.

Name: William Manfield
College: CLARE
Entered: Lent, 1580
More Information: Matric. sizar from CLARE, Lent, 1580-1; B.A. from St Catharine's, 1584-5; M.A. from Clare, 1588.

Name: Thomas Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1501-2; M.A. 1505-6. Incorp. at Oxford, 1516. B.D. (Oxford) 1526.

Name: John Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1492-3; M.A. 1496. Ord. sub-deacon (Ely) Mar. 17, 1491.

Name: Andrew Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1492-3; M.A. 1495-6; M.B. 1502-3; M.D. 1510-1.

Name: Andrew Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1504; M.A. 1507; M.D. 1514-5.

Name: Manfield
More Information: (1562), see MANDEVILLE.

Name: Philip Mandevile OR Manfield
College: KING'S
Entered: 1562
More Information: Adm. at KING'S (age 18) a scholar from Eton, 1562. Of Petworth, Sussex. Matric. 1562; B.A. 1566-7; M.A. 1570. Fellow, 1565-73. Ord. eacon and priest (Lincoln) Nov. 5, 1583. Said to have been Master of Bury St Edmunds School, 1562-83. V. of Stotfold, Beds., 1583. (Harwood.)

Further Mandeville references don't help.
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