Worth of Royal Descents (Was Re: Contributions of D. Spencer Hines)

Well, it figures the most recent Peter Stewart email in my Inbox is the one below. Had he made just one more after this, I would have deleted this one and never have had to see John Brandon's opinion of me.

If there's such a thing as Fate (and I haven't come to any conclusion whether there is or not), then I was meant to see this sad post of Brandon's. With that in mind, my comments are interspersed.

On Aug 24, 12:18 am, John Brandon <starbuc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oh, Brad, you worthless posing nitwit.

I've never claimed that my posts have any worth at all. In almost all of them, I'm sharing information I've compiled, or pointing out flaws in previous genealogical arguments or assumptions, sometimes long-published (Cardinal Beaufort's alleged affair with Alice of Arundel, for example) or sometimes ones that are currently being discussed (Edmund Beaufort as alleged father of Edmund Tudor).

I don't expect SGM to applaud my posts, or place any kind of value on them. I am pleased if people find them interesting enough to respond, and especially to share further information on the topics and/or point out flaws in my conclusions.

Since John Brandon finds my posts worthless, why is he reading them? Hhe should please kill-file me, as I've done him.

From: Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@xxxxxxx>
Apart from the typically insane value judgement, no-one here is less
of a poseur or nit-wit than Brad Verity.

Thank you, Peter.

On Aug 24, 12:18 am, John Brandon <starbuc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> (By the way, I can't conceive
> of any project more boring than trying to trace _all_ the descendants
> of King Edward III.

Actually, I'm trying to trace all the descendants of Edward I, an even wider net. Exactly how much wider is one of the questions I hope to be able to come up with a reasonable answer to someday.

This project allows me to combine two of my favorite hobbies, genealogy and English history. I'm not a medievalist, am a Latin-illiterate, and my research is basically confined to compilation from secondary sources and whatever primary sources are available to me that are written in English. Before my work-related hiatus I was trying to get all of my notes on Yorkshire gentry sorted out, and the posts I made on Joan Beaufort (and hope to get back to making soon) were done in conjunction with me creating my own database. In that process, tracing her Yorkshire descendants led me into the English Civil War, and I'm finding that a very fascinating era.

Some people on the newsgroup expressed interest and/or enjoyment of those posts. I never expected or intended that they should be exciting to anyone outside of the rather narrow range of interest that I'm focused on.

On Aug 24, 12:18 am, John Brandon <starbuc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> This would become 100x more boring if, like
> yourself, I had no lines of descent from said King. [What am I
> saying, I actually don't have any known lines from him.]).

I hope to never have to read John Brandon's writing again. But if there's anyone left on SGM who is still reading him if and when, someday, he ever finds himself in the net of descendants of Edward I and Edward III, please remember his statement here, and note if he starts trumpeting about having such a descent.

Brandon is correct - I have no descent from Edward I. My eight great-grandparents were Jews from the Ukraine and Poland mainly, with my patrilineal (Verity/Verby) line traced back to Lithuania. I doubt the ancestors of my great-grandparents were mixing it up with English gentry.

It's the prosopography of the Edward I descendants mixed in with the history of the period that I enjoy. Brandon finds all that boring. It only becomes interesting to him if they are his own ancestors. Honest enough.

> If you truly mourn the loss of Chris Phillips,

I truly do.

> then I expect you know
> that only one person is to blame for that loss -- Peter M. Stewart.

Actually, the only one responsible for the loss is Chris Phillips.

From: Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@xxxxxxx>
On any rational assessment there must have been at least two persons
to blame for his disappearance: myself _and_ Phillips.

Peter doesn't have the power to ban anyone from SGM, a fact which all the trolls delight in and exploit. Chris chose to leave the group. Leaving off reading the posts Peter was making at the time may have helped Chris make that choice, but in the end, it was his choice.

From: Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@xxxxxxx>
I was irate and unkind, admittedly,

Thank you for making that admission, Peter. I'm only halfway through reading the thread on Medieval Lands that Will Johnson linked to yesterday, but, yes, I do agree with your self-assessment.

but that doesn't alter the fact
that he was deliberately obtuse, irresponsible at first and evasive
later, or the inexcusable aftermath that he has not fronted up since -
publicly or privately, either of which would have put an end to the
matter - with the outcome of his promised consultation with Charles
Cawley.

I'll post my two cents on the whole matter once I've finished reading all the threads in the archives and taking a look at the Medieval Lands database firsthand. I must say that so far Medieval Lands seems like one big Medieval Mess.

Cheers, -------Brad

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