Re: Karl Marx - (was Isaac Luria)




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From: "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" <FordMommaerts@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: Isaac Luria


On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, at 07:43:10
"Karen Rosenstiel" <krosenstiel @ comcast . net> wrote in message
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Dear Folks,
I am assisting a friend who of Shepardic Jewish background. His mother,
Miriam Lurie, claims descent from Isaac ben Solomon Luria (1534-1572), a
famous Kabbalist rabbi, and some kind of kinship with Karl Marx. Royal
descent from the House of David is claimed for Luria.

Any suggestions or referrals?

I am new to Jewish genealogy, however I have been researching
French-Canadian genealogy for ~30 years and am familiar with standards of
proof and historical research. No descent from Adam and Eve here! I can
read
French and Latin and my friend can probably manage Spanish. I use The
Master
Genealogist, among other tools, if anyone has a database they would be
willing to share.

TIA

Karen Rosenstiel
(Searching Quebec Richard and Acadian LeBlanc)
Seattle WA USA


The Lurias were a medieval rabbinic dynasty.
Rottenberg, Dan, _Finding Our Fathers: A guidebook to Jewish
genealogy_, Genealogical Publishing Co.,
Inc., (Baltimore, 1998), 0-8063-1151-7, has a series of charts showing the
inter-related Sephardic and Ashkenazi
rabbinic dynasties from RaShI to the grt.-gr.-parents of Karl Marx.
Rosenstein, Neil, _The Unbroken Chain_, C. I. S. Communications, Inc,
(United States, 1990), 0-9610578-4-8,
shows the descendants of the a rabbi from the
Luria-Katzenellenbogen-Treves nexus, (I forget, now, exactly which
one), to Karl Marx, the Countess Mountbatten of Burma, some Rothschilds
and many Chasidic rabbinic dynasties,
as well as, IIRC, the Maharal of Prague. Many of these rabbinic dynasties
can be found in the _Encyclopaedia
Judaica_ and _The Jewish Encyclopedia_.
Rashi claimed descent from R. Yonatan haSandalar, (Rabbi Jonathan the
Sandlemaker), one of the Tannaim,
(Rabbinic scholars whose teachings were central to the compilation of the
Talmud), who was a member of the
Patriarchal dynasty of Yehudah haNasi, founded by Hillel the Great, who
claimed descent from David. The Lurias,
Shaltiels, Charlaps, Iacchias, ibn Dauds, the Maharal of Prague and others
claimed descent from David, all
through the last Exilarchs, (Reshim Galuta/Roshim haGolah), of Babylon.



From Rosenstein, Rottenberg, Encyclopeadia Judaica & Jewish Encyclopedia.

Line #1

Karl Heinrich Marx, 5.5.1818, Trier-14.3.1883, London

ben Heinrich Marx, 1777, Saarlouis, Frankrijk-10.5.1838, Trier

ben Yakov Marx,

ben R. Mordechai Marx, né Meir Levi, 1743, Postoloprty, Bohemia-24.10.1804,
Trier

ben R. Schmuel ha-Levi, 1735-pr. 1777, Postoloprty, Bohemia, & Malka Spira

bat R. Lobil Spira, -3.2.1711/12, Praha

ben R. Eliah Spira, -13.4.1722, Praha

ben R. Benyamin Wolf Spira, 1640-11.1.1714/15, Praha

ben R. Aharon Shimon Spira, 1599-2.12.1679, Praha

ben R. Wolf Elabes Spira

ben R. Yechiel Michael Spira ca. 1530, Posen-

ben R. Shimson Spira of Posen

ben R. Natan Spira of Posen

ben R. Peretz Spira of Konstanz

ben R. Shlomo Spira

ben R. Shmuel Spira, ca. 1345- , & Vergentin Hannah Treves

bat R. Matityahu Treves of Provence, 1325/35-1385/7

ben R. Yosef ha-Gadol Treves, 1304-1370

ben R. Yochanan Treves

ben Avraham Treves

ben

bat R. Yehuda Shir Leon of Paris, 1166-1224

ben R. Yitzak, b. 114x

ben R. Yehuda, b. 1115

ben Tosafist R. Yom Tov of Falais, 1090-1140

ben R. Yehuda ben Natan, (RIBaN), b. 1065, & Miryam

bat R. Shlomo ben Yitzak, (RaShI), 1040, Troyes, Champagne-1105, Troyes

ben R. Yitzak Tzarfarti, -1060, Worms, (descended from Rabban Yochanan
ha-Sandalar of Alexandria, grt.-gr.-son of Rabban Gamalliel ha-Zaken, [the
Great], President of the Sanhedron, ben Shimon, ben Hillel ha-Zaken), & the
sister of R. Shimon ha-Zaken of Mainz

bat R. Yitzak Kalonymo, d. 960, Mainz

ben R. Abba Kalonymos, of LeMans

ben R. Yitzak Kalonymos

ben R. Meshulam Kalonymos, d. 976

ben Klonimus Kalonymos, of Luka, d. 950

ben Moishe Kalonymos, 870, Lucca-940, Mainz

ben Kalonymos, ha-Gaon, of Luka, d. 900

ben Yechutiel Kalonymos, d. 876

ben Meshulam Kalonymos

ben Kalonymos

ben Yehuda



According to the researches of David Kelley, the Kalonymoi were the family
of the 'Judiarchs' of Nrbonne, descended from Natronai/Makhir.



Line #2



Karl Heinrich Marx, 5.51818, Trier-14.3.1883, London

ben Heinrich Hirschel Marx, 15.4.1777-10.5.1838, Trier

ben Yakov Marx, d. Sélestat

ben Meier Marx, né ha-Levi, d. 1802, & Chaya Lwow, d. 13.5.1823, Trier

bat Moishe Lwow

ben Yaheshua Lwow, 1692-25.7.1771, Schwabach, Près de Nuremberg

ben Aharon Moishe Ezechiel Lwow

ben Moishe Lwow of Lemberg

ben Moishe Cohen & Nissle Wahl

bat Meier Moishe Wahl, ca. 1869-1630, Brest-Litovsk

ben Saul Wahl, 1541, Padova-1617, Brest-Litovsk

ben Shmuel Yahuda Katzenellenbogen, 1521, Venezia-

ben Meier Katzenellenbogen, 1482, Padova- , Erfurt, Thuringia

ben Yitzak Katzenellenbogen, 1482-ca. 1530, Praha, & of

bat Yechiel Luria, pr. 1446, Brisk-1489, Brest-Litovsk

ben R. Aharon Luria, pr. 1426-1470, & Rebbitzen Miryam Spira

bat R. Shlomo Spira

ben R. Shmuel Spira, ca. 1345- , & Vergentin Hannah Treves

bat R. Matityahu Treves of Provence, 1325/35-1385/7

ben R. Yosef ha-Gadol Treves, 1304-1370

ben R. Yochanan Treves

ben Avraham Treves

ben Matityahu Treves

ben Porat Yosef

ben Moishe, d. 1230

ben Posek Yechiel, & of

bat R. Yitzak ben Meier, (RIBaM)

ben R. Hayashish Meier & Yocheved

bat R. Shlomo ben Yitzak, (RaShI), 1040, Troyes, Champagne-1105, Troyes, see
no. 1.



Line #3



Karl Heinrich Marx, 5.51818, Trier-14.3.1883, London

ben Heinrich Hirschel Marx, 15.4.1777-10.5.1838, Trier

ben Yakov Marx, d. Sélestat

ben Meier Marx, né ha-Levi, d. 1802, & Chaya Lwow, d. 13.5.1823, Trier

bat Moishe Lwow

ben Yaheshua Lwow, 1692-25.7.1771, Schwabach, Près de Nuremberg

ben Aharon Moishe Ezechiel Lwow

ben Moishe Lwow of Lemberg

ben Moishe Cohen & Nissle Wahl

bat Meier Moishe Wahl, ca. 1869-1630, Brest-Litovsk

ben Saul Wahl, 1541, Padova-1617, Brest-Litovsk

ben Shmuel Yahuda Katzenellenbogen, 1521, Venezia-

ben Meier Katzenellenbogen, 1482, Padova- , Erfurt, Thuringia

ben Yitzak Katzenellenbogen, 1482-ca. 1530, Praha, & of

bat Yechiel Luria, pr. 1446, Brisk-1489, Brest-Litovsk

ben Aharon Luria, pr. 1426-1470

ben R. Nataniel Luria, b. pr. 1406-ca. 1460

ben R. Yechiel Luria, b. ca. 1375, pr.1386

ben R. Shimson Luria, 1206-1268, & Rebbitzen Miriam Treves, b. 1350

bat R. Matityahu Treves of Provence, 1325/35-1385/7

ben R. Yosef ha-Gadol Treves, 1304-1370, see no. 1.






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