Re: Alianor/Eleanor
- From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:56:05 GMT
"Matt Tompkins" <mllt1@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"John Parsons" wrote:
Some years ago, as a grad student in Toronto already writing my
dissertation
on Eleanor of Castile, I was approached by George Rigg, a professor of
medieval Latin there, who wanted to see if the English "Eleanor" had
anything to do with the English "Helen." Rigg was interested in the
popularity of the Trojan War legends in medieval literature & thought any
similarity between the names might offer some insight into the topics he
was
then researching.
The voice of authority! I had already withdrawn from the lists, but I
certainly won't re-enter them. Except for one little comment:
What differences existed between "A" spellings and "E" spellings may have
involved differences in French & English pronunciation. Medieval
spelling
tended to reflect pronunciation more closely than modern spellings & it
would be understandable if what was spoken (& written) as "Alianora" on
the
Continent might have been spoken (& written) as "Elianora" in England.
But
The El- spellings in that Norman document from the Bibliotheque de
l'Arsenal do tend to suggest that the Elianora form was not confined to
England (or are they unique in continental sources?).
Ho hum - not only are you incapable of addressing the salient points raised
in the thread, but evidently you are not up to reading the posts unless the
signature is of someone who hasn't ruffled your feathers.
Just yesterday I posted:
As to early versions of the name with initial 'El-', these are not unusual.
For instance, a charter of Alienor of Aquitaine's niece dated 1184: "Ego
Elienor, Dei gratia comitissa Bellomontis et heres Viromandie"; and another
in 1189: "Elyenor.illustris comitis Perone Radulfi filia". In other
documents she was more typically called Alienordis, and at least once
Lyenordis as posted earlier."
and further:
It should be pointed out that this lady was countess of Saint-Quentin &
Crépy and heiress of Vermandois by inheritance, and by marriage she was
successively countess of Ostrevant, of Nevers, Auxerre & Tonnerre, and of
Boulogne. In other words, her life was passed in the heartland of veneration
of St Helen according to Matt Tompkins ("her cult was a northern one,
centered on the counties of Champagne, Flanders and Brabant, and especially
on the cathedral cities of Troyes, Rheims and Auxerre").
No wonder you have "withdrawn" from the debate, having lost it so
comprehensively.
The only acknowledgement you have made to the point at issue is that the
(total) lack of evidence for your proposal is a "defect" in the argument.
This is like the captain of the Titanic saying "I acknowledge a leak" as his
ship hit the bottom of the Atlantic.
Peter Stewart
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