Re: Edward Greville's brother-in-law, Sir Edmund Tame
- From: "John H" <JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:36:38 +0930
Will,
No doubt I would, but I dont have access to "Burke's landed Gentry" unless
you can advise me
where (preferably online) I can get access. I am not domiciled in England,
and local libraries arent really "in to" English genealogical history.
BTW I didn't (as I said) disagree with Leo's data at all, just no father
was shown for Robert, so didnt know his parents other than those I show.
all other data was as Leo showed.
From Leo's site reference, it suggests that this is where Burke stopped, atRobert ...jie no parents shown on Leo's site.
I also note that in the past, people on this group have suggested to me and
others, that "Burke's landed gentry in Ireland" is not a very reliable
source, SO are the England ones any better?
When I got that Irish data from an English professional researcher, it cost
an "arm and a leg".
I find most ground in those times is fairly boggy, and will always look for
more solid ground.
If you took my statement to mean this database I have is more correct, then
it definitely was not intended as such, as I dont know who (if any are
correct), I wasnt around at the time and can't give definite first hand
knowledge to the discussion.
Therefore I (and I suggest also you and others on this group) rely on those
gone before us who researched data available to them in their era. There may
be more or less data around on a subject in 2006, which was not available to
the original presenter in their time, which would vary the result.
I find that there are many very knowledgeable people on this group with much
more knowledge than myself (L plate), I am learning to crawl, then walk ,
then run (genealogically speaking), so appreciate any help from "the
learned".
I am quite open to you or anyone else to post contradictory data to the
group, rather than just saying "prove it".
for instance, you give the impression that you have the material from
Burkes "Landed gentry", if so, then why not post it so I and others can see
it,
rather than keep it to yourself. You no doubt have access to sources of
which I have no knowledge or access at this time.
I have not at this time personally the availability of time to go through
and read every bit of paper (a full four drawer filing cabinet), looking for
where a particular piece of data came from. I would love to have time to
do that, and perhaps will do so in time.
Thus I am presenting things as shown in this database I inherited and I do
know that the people who worked on it, spent many years in record offices in
England, finding the material, and I wouldn't discount anything until proven
so by a very reliable source and hopefully a primary one.
Getting a database where a lot of sources arent written down in it, isnt
helpful I know, but I doubt that any database exists that "was purrfect in
every way", otherwise none of us would be looking for anything, it would all
be there 100% correct.
Unless I put what is in this database to the group, (apart from searching
internet & other places for the data, which I also do), I am never going to
know how accurate it maybe. I dont claim it is perfect, but I take it as
correct until disproven ( I do have a very open mind you know). When I post
data I have in this database, I dont post it as unchangeable fact, but only
what is in this database.
The other option would be for me to assume everything is false, and "start
from scratch" myself , I consider this option is "damn stupid" when others
before me have done a lot of hard work albeit it may not be 100% correct,
(what & who ever is).
As with most discussions on this group, different people (including
yourself), consider different sources more accurate than others and have
quite spirited debate about same. I note what ALL say in discussion,
discounting nothing, and then make my own judgement as to which I will use,
I may be right or wrong in any decison I make but I stick with it until
proven otherwise.
regards
John H
<WJhonson@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:386.62f7c0e.31d58dce@xxxxxxxxxx
In a message dated 6/29/06 7:15:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< The Anne Greville you speak of is, (according to this database) Sir
Edward
Greville's brother Robert Greville's child (wife Isabel Wyncott), this
Anne
also married a Thomas Neville and also had a son John Neville, (so the two
Thomas's appear to be mixed up). >>
Actually it *is* possible to check this as Leo is showing as his source
"Burke's Landed Gentry". If your database has no sources for it's
information,
then you might want to check Burke's and copy out what it says, then post
it
"with quotes" and cite it and then you'll be on slightly firmer ground.
Will Johnson
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