Re: What this list is - on "insularity"

Dear Hal,

Euro-centric? Thou art jesting...........Anglo-centric, yes, but Euro? I would say not, unless you try to say that England IS Europe? :-)

Every now and then I try to raise interest in some continental ancestor, because of the intermarriage between England and the continent, continental medieval people can be ancestors of the very much cherished and appreciated (by me) Gateway Ancestors.

In my opinion, the more is said about the _ancestors, any ancestor_ of Gateway Ancestors, the better. As by doing that a knowledge is created, supplied, shared, of people in the medieval period and if anyone stumbles across one as an ancestor then more ancestors (all in the medieval period) can be found.

What I am missing is efforts to find biographical details of medieval people. It is great to have dates and place names, but we also need to know what they did and in what kind of society they lived. That is why I appreciate so much the details Nat Taylor and others supplied.

I think Stewart Baldwins efforts should be much more supported, as he gives so much more than just names and dates.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Bradley" <hw.bradley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: What this list is - on "insularity"


John,

Why is this number so unbelievable? If one has extensive Colonial ancestry,
the possibilities are there. There are probably very few people who find a
gateway ancestor and then try to find a way to tie into it because it will
lead them to European royalty. One simply does the research. If it leads to
a gateway ancestor, so be it. If it does not, so be it as well.

The number of my gateway ancestors is similar to Tony's:

Peter Bulkeley [Connecticut]
Martha (Eltonhead) Conway [Virginia]
Agnes (Harris) (Spencer) Edwards [Connecticut]
William Goddard [Massachusetts]
Anne (Marbury) Hutchinson [Rhode Island]
Alexander Magruder [Virginia]
Katherine (Hamby) Marbury [Massachusetts]
Mary (Gye) Maverick [Massachusetts]
Martha (Bulkeley) Mellowes [Massachusetts]
Elizabeth (Stratton) Thorndike [Massachusetts]
Anne (Derehaugh) Stratton [Massachusetts]
Frances (Deighton) Williams [Massachusetts]
Edward Windham [Virginia]

I also have some probable gateways (meaning, I descend from these
individuals, but their ancestry is lacking evidence from primary sources):

Michael Griswold [Connecticut]
John Hinton [Maryland]
Richard Waters [Massachusetts]


As for American insularity, one could argue that this list is too
Euro-centric. Where is the discussion of medieval African or Native American
ancestry? Where is the discussion of medieval Indian or Chinese ancestry? In
some cases the records do not exist. In other cases the records were so well
kept there is no need for discussion. I have a friend of Japanese ancestry
whose ancestors kept the records for 900 years. What is there to discuss? It
has all been recorded and does not need to be re-discovered. As Todd has
pointed out, this newsgroup is what the participants make of it.


Hal Bradley



-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:42 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: What this list is - on "insularity"


> Elizabeth (Alsop) (Baldwin) Fowler, CT
> William Asfordby, NY
> Thomas Brassey, PA
> Obadiah Bruen, CT
> Jane (Deighton) (Lugg) Negus, MA
> Alice (Freeman) (Thompson) Park, CT
> Edmund Kempe, VA
> Roger Mallory, VA
> John Umfreville, CT
> John West, VA
> John Winslow, MA

Can all of these really be true? I remember you claiming
Maria Johanna
Somerset, as well, and implying you had a line from George Percy of VA
...




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