Re: Alice Plantagenet born in 1415?
- From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@xxxxxxx>
- Date: 9 May 2006 14:32:22 -0700
Dear Nigel ~
Richard of York, Earl of Cambridge, died 1415, had no known issue by
his second marriage to Maud Clifford. Maud's heir at her death in 1446
was her nephew, Thomas Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford.
For interest's sake, I've copied below an account of Richard of York,
which details his two marriages and his children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Source: Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004).
1. RICHARD OF YORK, Knt., 2nd son, of Conisbrough Castle, Yorkshire,
Almoner of England, Constable of Brimpsfield Castle, born at
Conisbrough Castle, Yorkshire about 20 July 1385. He married about May
1406 (by papal dispensation dated 23 May 1408, they being related in
the 2nd and 4th degrees of kindred) ANNE MORTIMER, elder daughter of
Roger Mortimer, Knt., 4th Earl of March, 6th Earl of Ulster (descendant
of King Edward III), by Eleanor (descendant of King Henry III),
daughter of Thomas de Holand, Knt., K.G., 2nd Earl of Kent (descendant
of King Edward I) [see MORTIMER 12 for her ancestry]. She was born 27
Dec. 1390, and was heir general in her issue of the Crown of England,
transmitting the right to the Crown to her grandson, Edward IV. They
had two sons, Richard, Knt., K.G. [3rd Duke of York] and Henry, and one
daughter, Isabel. In 1403 he was employed in the Welsh war. He was
knighted 26 June 1406. His wife, Anne, died in Sept. 1411, and was
buried at King's Langley, Hertfordshire. He was created Earl of
Cambridge 1 May 1414. He married (2nd) about 1414 MAUD CLIFFORD,
divorced wife of John Neville, 6th Lord Latimer, and daughter of Thomas
Clifford, 6th Lord Clifford, by Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas de Roos,
Knt., 4th Lord Roos of Helmesley. They had no issue. In 1415 he
conspired Henry le Scrope, Lord Scrope of Masham, and Thomas Grey,
Knt., of Heton to depose King Henry V and set up in his place Edmund
Mortimer, Earl of March (the heir general of King Edward III). SIR
RICHARD OF YORK, Earl of Cambridge, was attainted and beheaded at
Southampton Green 5 August 1415, and was buried in the chapel of
"God's House" at Southampton. His widow, Maud, died testate 26
August 1446, and was buried in the Roche Abbey, Yorkshire.
Sandford, Gen. Hist. of the Kings of England (1677): 366-368. Rymer,
F?dera 8 (1727): 447 (Richard of York, knight, styled "kinsman" by
King Henry IV of England). Blore, Hist. & Antiq. of Rutland 1(2)
(1811): 15 (Clifford pedigree), 37 (Kent/Holand pedigree), 42 (Mortimer
pedigree). Ellis, Original Letters Ill. of English Hist. 2nd Ser. 1
(1827): 44-49. Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 6(3) (1830):
1600-1602. Testamenta Eboracensia 2 (Surtees Soc. 30) (1855):
118-124. Wright, Feudal Manuals of English Hist. (1872). Burke,
Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages (1883): 382-384
(sub Mortimer), 434-435 (sub Plantagenet). Birch, Catalogue of Seals
in the British Museum 3 (1894): 389-390 (seal of Maud Clifford,
Countess of Cambridge dated 1430-A demi-angel draped, the wings
expanded, holding before her a large shield of arms: per pale, dex.,
quarterly, 1, 4, FRANCE (modern); 2, 3, ENGLAND, over all in chief a
label of three points [each charged with three torteaux], all within a
bordure charged with ten lions rampant, PLANTAGENET of CAMBRIDGE; sin.,
quarterly, 1, 4, chequy, a fess [CLIFFORD]; 2, 3, six annulets
[VIPONT]). Genealogist n.s. 18 (1902): 182. Papal Regs.: Letters 6
(1904): 132 (Anne styled "cousin and kinswoman" of King Henry IV).
Yorkshire Arch. Jour. 18 (1905): 354-411. C.P.R. 1405-1408 (1907):
173, 392 (instances of Anne styled king's kinswoman"), 409 (Richard
styled "king's kinsman"). D.N.B. 16 (1909): 1061-1062 (biog.
of Richard, Earl of Cambridge: quoting Bishop Stubbs, he 'was a weak
and ungrateful man'). VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 426-427. C.P. 2
(1912): 494-495 (sub Cambridge); 3 (1913): 246 (sub Clare); 7 (1929):
476-477 (sub Latimer); 12(2) (1959): 181 (sub Ulster). Harvey et
al., Vis. of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 2-5 ("Ricardus
Comes Cantabrigie = Anna filia et heres Edmundi de Mortimer comitis
Merchie"). Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 456: 1. Coat of Arms 7
(1962): 122-127 (his arms: Quarterly France modern and England, a
label of York, all within a bordure argent charged with lions rampant
purpure). Paget, Lineage & Anc. of Prince Charles 1 (1977): 21, 24.
Ellis, Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 2 (1981): 70 (seal of Maud of York,
Countess of Cambridge, dated 1428-A shield of arms, held from behind
by an angel: quarterly, FRANCE modern and ENGLAND, with a label of
three points and a bordure, impaling 1 and 4, checky, a fesse
[CLIFFORD], 2 and 3, six rings [VIPONT]). Moody et al., New Hist. of
Ireland 9 (1984): 170 (chart). Jour. of Medieval Hist. 11 (1985):
61-69. Pugh, Henry V and the Southampton Plot of 1415 (1988):
First time poster here, though I've been an occasional reader...
Got a query for some of you out there, and it deals with a certain
Alice Plantagenet. I have read on some family trees that there was a
woman by this name who was the daughter of Richard of Conisbrough (b.
1376) and a second wife by the name of Matilda De Clifford (after the
death of Anne Mortimer).
Does anyone know if there is any truth is this? They have her listed as
being born in 1415 (the year of Richard's death) and later marrying a
Thomas Musgrave (b. 1417, and the acknoweldged spouse of Joan
Hopefully someone out there can help me with this...
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