Re: William FitzNorman

Many thanks for your comments Chris.
I've checked Maitland with no more luck than you. I'll just have to keep digging.
Regards, Frank Baynham

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Phillips" <cgp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: William FitzNorman


Frank Baynham wrote:
I have found William FitzWilliam De La Mare who seems to be Katharine
Keats-Rohan's Willelm
Filius Normanni, Domesday tenant in chief in Herefordshire and
Gloucestershire, and forester in the Forest of Dean.

I also found The de la Mare family website which has information re: his
ancestry and quotes an impressive number or references.

A RootsWeb discussion on the PRATHER-L Archives "Where angels fear to
tread..." Tues, 3 Feb 2004 also has some discussion on this topic.


I'm afraid I'd be very sceptical of this descent unless it's borne out by
good contemporary evidence.

Unfortunately a lot of unreliable pedigrees are found in older published
works. Of the references given on the de la Mare website, Keats-Rohan's
books should be reliable, but "Domesday People" appears to mention only
William fitz Norman, and to give no details of parents or brothers.

Maitland, "Domesday Book and Beyond", is available online:
http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/maitland/domesday
I can't see any relevant references there by searching for obvious keywords,
but you may be able to find something.

A couple of the references given on the website should be treated with a lot
of caution - "The Battle Abbey Roll" (the website says Burke, but is this
the Duchess of Cleveland's work of 1889?), and "The Falaise Rolls".

I'm sorry to be sceptical, but in this earlier period for which
documentation is so sparse, detailed pedigrees like this one ring alarm
bells, especially if they contain claims such as:
"The name Thorbard av Møre was changed to Herbert de la Mare, and he became
the first Lord of St. Opportune-la-Mare"

Chris Phillips

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