Re: Henrietta Maria

My comments are interspersed below. DR

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
< Somehow I feel Richardson is back in cloud-coocoo land.
< Are we going to call historical people by how they signed their
letters?

What a novel idea, Pas! To call someone by the name they choose to go
by! Or, do you make up names for people as you go along?

< by the names historical people are known by in history?

Historians and genealogists make mistakes, as Pas loves to point out to
us.

< Lovely mess.......

Not at all ... It's called being accurate.

> To be generous to Richardson, we should disallow private letters as people
> often would sign letters with terms of endearment. Would that remove all her
> letters? Or do we have to be selective? This letter yes, no to that one?

I believe it is correct to employ the name the queen chose to use in
official records AND private correspondence. In this case, that name
is Henriette Marie, Henrette-Marie, or Marie Henriette. And, it is
clear now that she was informally known as Mary. Take your pick from
these names. But, the Latin form should be avoided.

> To quote Richardson "To call her husband Charles (the vernacular English)
> but his wife Henrietta Maria (the Latin form of her name) is being
> irregular." Someone pointed out that the male Henriettus and the female
> Henrietta were not used by the Romans, and so Henrietta cannot be the Latin
> form of anything. And I thought Richardson knew Latin?

Using the Latin form of Queen Henriette Marie's name seems klinda silly
to me. How Pas justifes using it is beyond me.

> Elizabeth Hamilton wrote "Henrietta Maria", first American edition 1976 SBN
> 698-10713-6
> As far as the index is concerned there is no Henriette Marie, but in the
> cover description and the first chapter it is indicated that she was called
> Henriette Marie after both her parents. But as soon as England becomes
> involved it is Henrietta Maria----"By the age of sixteen Henrietta Maria was
> married to Charles I of England..." Henriette Marie disappears. How she
> signed her letters is neither here nor there.....

I've posted references to records generated by Queen Henriette Marie,
before, during, and after she lived in England. These records can be
consulted by clicking on the weblinks that I have provided. Surely Ms.
Hamilton consulted these same records in the course of her research.
I found no use of the Latin form Henrietta Maria in any of these
records. Rather, the queen was Henriette Marie (or Henriette-Marie or
H.-M.) in all records, except once when she signed as Marie Henriette.
She is also called Marie Henriette on her daughter's tomb. Unless I
missed something (which is possible), Ms. Hamilton is grossly in error
in stating that the name "Henriette Marie" disappeared when the queen
came to England. The records show just the opposite. The queen was
known consistently as Henriette Marie throughout her entire adult life!
Sacre bleu!

> Richardson is just being Richardson----thinking he is displaying his sense
> of humour. It is funny alright, funny redicilous more like it.

I'm glad to hear that Pas likes my sense of humor. I was beginning to
think he was humorless.

Best always, Douglas Richartdson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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