Re: Isabelle de Valois, duchesse de Bourbon (d.1386)

Charles Comte de Valois had probably "only" two daughters named
Isabelle. The Isabelle duchess of Bretagne seems to had never existed
despite whe can read in the Histoire Généalogique of Pere Anselme vol
1. she is not mentioned in contemporary documents and there was
probably some confusion with her sister Jeanne. The list of Charles's
children can be established as below:

-by his first wife Marguerite d'Anjou:
1- Jeanne *1293 (aged 2 years in oct 1295) + Fontenelles abbey 7 march
1353
engaged 23 oct 1295 with Edward son of king John Baliol then married 19
june 1305 Guillaume Comte de Hainaut. During her widowhood she became
abbess in Fontenelles.
2 -Philippe later king of France. *1294 (or late in 1292)
3 -Charles Comte d'Alençon *circa 1295 + killed Crecy 26 august 1346
4 -Marguerite *1296 or 1297 + 7 july 1342
engaged 6 oct 1310 and married 18 july 1311 Guillaume Comte de Blois
5 -Catherine *1298 or 1299 + young

-by his second wife Catherine de Courtenay
6 -Catherine *christened in Sienna 18 nov 1301 + Napoli 2 oct 1346
engaged 24 march 1303 Hugues de Bourgogne (annuled 6 april 1312) then
married 30 july 1313 Philippe d'Anjou Prince de Tarente
7 -Jeanne *late 1303 (probalby in Napoli) + 9 july 1363
married 1318 Robert d'Artois
8 -Jean *between 1304 and 1307 + young in or after 1308
9 -Isabelle *circa 1306 + (plague) 11 nov 1349
a nun in Poissy before 15 mars 1314 then abbess of Fontevrault 1342

-by his third wife Mahaut de Chatillon:
10 -Marie *just before 27 nov 1309 + Bari 24 oct 1331(where she was in
pilgrimage to recover heath) married by contract 4 oct 1323 Charles
d'Anjou Duc de Calabre
11 -Isabelle *circa 1313 (and assuredly before 5 march 1314) + Paris 26
july 1383
engaged 5 oct 1322 and married in or before 1337 Pierre I Duc de
Bourbon
12 -Blanche *1316 + Prague (tuberculosis) 1 august 1348
engaged 5 may 1323, married may 1329 Charles de Luxembourg
13 -Louis *september 1318 + 2 nov 1329

I apology for my mistakes in english...
Sincerely,
Eric François

"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
> Three daughters named Isabelle of Charles, comte de Valois? Comme c'est
> un embarras des choix!
>
> At http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet20.html#ICV Miroslav Marek
> shows Isabelle de Valois, duchesse de Bourbon (d.1386) as one of two
> daughters named Isabelle of Charles, comte de Valois (d.1325). He shows
> this large family thus:
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> Cte Charles de Valois et d'Alençon 1286, de Chartres et du Perche,
> Emperor of Constantinople 1301, *Vincennes 12.3.1270, +Nogent-le-Roy
> 16.12.1325, bur Paris; 1m: Corbeil 16.8.1290 Cts Marguerite d'Anjou et
> de Maine (*1273 +31.12.1299) dau.of King Charles II of Naples; 2m:
> St.Cloud I.1302 Catherine I de Courtenay, titular Empress of
> Constantinople and Mgvne of Namur (*1274 +2.1.1308); 3m: Poitiers
> VI.1308 Mahaut de Chatillon, Cts de St.Pol (*1293 +3.10.1358, bur Paris)
> dau.of Guy III de Chatillon, Cte de St.Pol. He had issue:
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> A1. [1m.] King PHILIPPE VI "le Pious" of France
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> A2. [1m.] Charles "le Magnanime", Cte d'Alençon et de Perche 1326, de
> Chartres, de Porhoet et de Joigny, *1297, +k.a.Crécy 26.8.1346, bur
> Jacobins, Paris; 1m: IV.1314 Jeanne, Cts de Joigny (+2.9.1336) dau.of
> Cte Jean II Blondel; 2m: XII.1336 Maria de la Cerda (*1310, +Paris
> 19.11.1379, bur Jacobins, Paris) dau.of Fernando de la Cerda, sn de
> Lunel
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> A3. [2m.] Jean, Cte de Chartres, *1302, living 1308
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> A4. [3m.] Louis, Cte d Alençon et de Chartres, *1318, +2.11.1328, bur
> Cordeliers, Paris
>
> A5. [1m.] Isabelle, *1292, +1309; m.1297 Duc Jean III de Bretagne
> (*1286 +1341)
>
> A6. [1m.] Jeanne, *1294, +as a nun at Fontenelles 7.3.1342; m.Chauny
> 19.5.1305/37 Ct William III of Hainaut and Holland (*1286 +7.6.1337)
>
> A7. [1m.] Marguerite, *1295, +1342; m.1310 Guy I de Châtillon, Cte de
> Blois et Dunois (+1342)
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> A8. [1m.] Catherine, *1299, +young, bur Abbaye du Val-de-Sery
>
> A9. [2m.] Catherine, who as heiress to her mother was titular Empress
> of Constantinople and Pss of Achaia, *1303, +Naples X.1346;
> m.Fontainebleau 30.7.1313 Philippe d Anjou, Pr of Tarento (*1278
> +1332)
>
> A10. [2m.] Jeanne, *1304, +Château Gaillard 9/13.7.1363, bur Augustins,
> Paris; m.1318 Robert III d'Artois, Cte de Beaumont (*1278 +1342)
>
> A11. [2m.] Isabelle, Abbess of Fontevrault 1342, *1306, +11.11.1349,
> bur Fontevrault
>
> A12. [2m.] Marie, *1309, +6.12.1328; m.Paris 1324 Charles d Anjou,
> Duke of Calabria (*28.5.1298 +9.11.1328)
>
> A13. [2m.] Isabelle, a nun in Paris, *1313, +Paris 26.7.1383, bur there
> m.25.1.1336 !dwid!/1337 Duc Pierre I de Bourbon (*1311 +1356)
>
> A14. [2m.] Blanche=Marguerite, *1317, +Prague 1.8.1348, bur Prague;
> m.Prague 1329 Emperor Charles IV, (*14.5.1316 +29.11.1378)
>
> --
>
> Leo in His Great Site (and it is) shows this.
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00000227&tree=LEO
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> I wonder if any light could be shed on the apparent confusion,
> specifically in re: to which of the Isabelles was a nun/abbess of
> Fontevraud, which the duchess de Bretagne, which the duchess de
> Bourbon?
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> Isabelle, duchesse de Bourbon is of course ancestral to the Tudors and
> their legions of descendants.
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> Many thanks.
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> Tony Hoskins
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> Anthony Hoskins
> History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
> History and Genealogy Library
> Sonoma County Library
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