Re: Knightly class

"Tompkins, M.L." wrote:
< I didn't say I had evidence that de Burgh came from the upper
< echelons of the knightly class (to be honest I have very little
interest
< in his origins). What I did say was just a passing comment that I
found
< the argument to that effect put forward by Douglas Richardson
< persuasive. It was an argument based on de Burgh's multiple family
< connections to bishops, earls etc (I was ignoring the connections to
< knights because at that period knighthood did not have the social
< exclusivity it later had) - I'm not sure whether you're saying that
< those connections did not actually exist, but if they didn't, then
< clearly the argument would lose all persuasive force.
<
< Though on looking again at the list of family connections, I do
notice
< that they could all equally well have resulted from de Burgh's rise
to
< power as from his family background. I suppose it would take careful
< analysis of their timing to decide which.
<
< Regards,
<
< Matt

Dear Matt ~

If you read my original post again, you'll see I stated that Earl
Hubert de Burgh's known kinswoman, Alice Pouchard, was the
granddaughter of Sir William Pouchard, of Wreningham, Norfolk, which
individual was certainly a knight. I've found evidence that Sir
William Pouchard was alive in 1166. This predates Hubert de Burgh's
rise to power by at least a generation.

Speaking of which, I should mention that prior to 1200, it is difficult
to determine if any one given individual was a knight or not. Before
1200, when someone is named in the records, their knighthood is usually
not mentioned in connection with their name. After 1200, the records
refer specifically to Sir John Doe or John Doe, knight, with
regularity. We only know that William Pouchard was a knight, because
his granddaughter's charters after 1200 provide us that information.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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