RE: Count Roger of Poitou

The only Roger of Poitou is refered back to Pictavensis in
the index of French charters by Round. There I find an
entry for Roger (son of Roger, earl of Shewsbury), p 435 and
count, gifts of pp 236-9. In addition, there is an entry
under Pictavensis that says See Poitiers. Then, under
Poitiers, there is Pictavum, and under Poitos, Pictavia, we
find Roger of, once again, refered back to See Pictavensis.

Roger is mentioned in a charter to the abbey of Marmoutier,
Tours, page 435:

"[1082-1084]
"(MS. lat. 12,878, fo. 289.)

"1206. [Notification that] in the reign of William, of
blessed memory, king of the English, Mathildis countess of
Mortain, wife of his brother Robert died, whereat the king
and his said brother being sad-for she was very dear to them
and to all who had known her,-distributed among monasteries
or the poor, for her soul, all that she possessed in her
lifetime, in vills, or gold and silver, or ornaments of any
kind. Whence it came to pass that the king and his brother
gave to the church of St. Mary, Mortain, which the monks of
Marmoutier possessed there outside the castle, a manor of 10
hides (hiddarum) in Dorseta seira, namely Pidele called
Hinctune, for her soul, this gift being procured by Robert
the monk, who was then at Mortain and was careful to attend
the funeral of the countess. For the said Mathildis held
that manor from the king while she lived, and therefore he
would not have the monks hold it of anyone but himself. He
gave (annuit) it them with sac and soc, free and quit,
except from Danegeld (Guelt quod colligitur per hiddas), and
this it is not to pay except [as to] four hides, [for] the
other six are in demesne and quit (nisi quatuor hidoe,
reliquoe sex sunt in dominio et quiete)[3]

"Hujus donationis testes sunt:-Rogerius comes ; Robertus
filius Hamonis ; Robertus de Belismo; Hugo de Monte
Gomerico; Rogerius Pictavensis; Robertus Osberni filius;
Gaufredus Rivallonii filius ; Alvredus pincerna; Hugo de
Diva ; Guido de Landevi, Vitalis pincerna; Richardus de
Lestra; Aigulfus vicecomes de Dorset.

"[3] Extract only in MS. lat. 5441 (2), fo. 405."



At the Abbey of St. Martin, Sees abbreviated:

There is a charter from earl Roger, called "of Poitou"
(Pictaviensis), in the year 1094, NO. 664 on page 236,
giving the church of Lancaster with all its appurtenances,
and part of the land of that town, from the old wall to
Godfrey's orchard, and as far as Presteguet, and two manors
near Lancaster, Andeduva [fn1 .. Audeeliva] and neutona, and
Ansfrid de Montegommerici with all that he held of the said
earl, and the churches of Hessan, and Prestetona, and
Estanesberia, and Cotegrava, and Cropil[le], and Wichelai,
and Calisei, and the churches of St. Peter of Lincoln, and
Walinguore [fn 2... Trans.: "Walingnore."] and Navzebeia
[fn3 ... Trans.: "Nauzebeia."] and Bodebeia, with their
appurtenances and hte tithes of Hales, and Derbeium, and
Salfort, and Risebeia, and Bissepephen; and the tithes of
all his mares, cows, and swine when they come to the
larderer; and Hervey the priest of Torp and Benedict of Eia,
and all that he holds of the earl, and the tithes of the
churches of all the land of Albert Greslet, and the tithe of
Warin Boissel at Brestona, and the tithe of the land of
Roger de Monte begonis at Calisei and Tablesbeia and Tit and
all his demesne between Rible and Mersey; and four men of
Ralk Grenet in Sulfoc.

[Testibus: ...]

No. 665 pg. 237, earl Roger, called "of Poitou," [who] gave
in 1094, ten pounds a year until he should assign [land]
worth ten pounds a year. And if anyone should desire the
prayers and benefits of the monastery of Lancaster, the earl
most gladly grants that he may give as much as half his
land. And if anyone without heir of woman should wish to
give his whole land, and should there assume the monastic
garb, to be a monk of St. Martin's, the earl grants that he
may. And St. Martin is to hold all as freely as himself
etc. [5] [fn5 ... H. 938 here continues: --"and after the
earl had granted this, Geoffrey de Ria gave the monastery a
manor, namely Sanguice and Godfrey the sheriff [gave] the
tithes of Bissopohan, and all he had in Lancaster, houses,
orchard and lands, and the land he had in little Lancaster,
and Ralf Geetier (sic) 4 men in Sutfole."[Testibus: ...]

No. 666 pp. 237-8, Notification that Arnulf [de
Montghomery] son of earl Roger, a man of great worth and
highly esteemed, so loved the brethen at Sees that, on Aug.
27, 1098, [7] in the chapter of St. Martin of Sees, SErlo
the bishop and Ralf the abbot being present, he gave the
brethren of Sees, living and to live in the abbey of ST.
Martin of Sees, in alms for ever, for his soul and those of
his father Roger and his brother Hugh, who was slain that
year, the church of St. Nicholas at Pembroch, a castle of
his in Wales, and 20 carucates of land, together with all
that his men had given or should give the abbey [1]; and he
promised that he would give other land of his, lying in
England sufficient to provide footgear for the brethren of
the abbey. This gift he made [in order] that he might
retain nothing for himself of all the rents and dues of that
land, giving even his woods for the needs of the monks,
namely for building and firing and pannage throughout his
demesne. ...

No. 668 [1098] p. 238, has testifying: regis; Anselmi
archiepiscopi; Wilfridi episcopi[6][fn6 ... of St. David's]
; Arnulfi filii Rogerii comitis; Riberti filii Hamonis

No. 669, [ca. 1105] p. 238-9, Charter of Savaric son of Cana
and Muriel his wife ... ... Ralf the abbot [7] [fn7 ...
Bishop of Rochester, 1108] granting as Herlingus held it, if
Herlingus should so grant it ...

Testes sunt hujus concessionis: Ricardus de Mereio, et
Lucia uxor ejus, et Radulfus capellanus. Concedunt quoque
et testes sunt; Radulfus et Savaricus filii ipsius Savarici;
Herveius Belee; Willelmus filio Alberti; Alexander de Sancta
Maria; Pinellus Vrito; Fulco camerarius Basso. Isti omnes
de hominibus Savarici. Ex Hominibus quoque Ricardi de
Mereio; Ingelgerius et Alexander filii Ricardi; Radulfus
dapifer; Alveredus filius Alberti. Et subscribitur
confirmatio[1] [fn1 ... crosses inserted here] Savarici et
signum ejus; signum uxoris ejus.

Nos. 670 - 675 have notes in the margin: Liber Albus, fo.
89, and 90, Trans. Vol. III, fo. 187 no. cclxviii, 189 no.
cclxix, 190 no. cclxx, and 191, Cartulary and Chetham
Society XXVI, 113. Cartulary, no. cclxxii. which should
indicate that the originals are in those books.


No. 670 [1125-1128], Charter of William archbishop of
Canterbury and legate of the apolistic see addressed to
B[ernard] bishop of St. David's and all sons of the church.
He testifies to having been told by the kind at the council
held at Westminster that earl Arnulf gave the churches of
all his land in Wales and the tithes, [and] twenty carucates
of land, with much else, and ten pounds' worth of tithes
from the churches he held in England to the monks of St.
Martin's Sees, and that the king had given an granted the
same to the said brethren, some of whom dwelt and dwell at
Pembroc. For his part he grants and confirms this, as the
king himself confirms it in his charter. Testibus[2][fn2
.... trans. H. 938: "Teste episcopo."]: episcopis
Wintoniensi Willelmo, Seifredo Cicestrensi[3][fn3 ... Trans:
"Cicesterciensi,"; H. 938; "Cicestriensi."], et Johanne
Roffensi.[4][fn4 ... Trans.: "Ross"; "Rost'" in H. 938.]

No. 672 [?1094] Charter of Roger count of Poitou (comes
Pictavensis), Printed from Inspeximus in Monast. Aug. VI,
997, and in Chetham Society XXVI., 8, from the Cartulary,
with more witne4sses.


If anyone is interested in the complete pages 236-9 feel
free to email me and I'll be glad to attach the files ...
I've tried to put what I think would be relevant herein but
certainly may have failed to address someone's specific
needs.

Ginny

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