Re: Gospatric Fitz Orm's mother, Gravelda of Dunbar

Dear Newsgroup ~

In Ms. Guido's post earlier this week, she alleged that the chronology
of Gospatric Fitz Orm was so out of line with the Dunbar family as to
make it improbable that Gravelda of Dunbar to be his mother. But is
it? Let's see for ourselves.

One way to double check Ms. Guido's allegation is to examine the
chronology for the outer generations of Gospatric Fitz Orm's
descendants and those of Gravelda's three known siblings who left
descendants. If Ms. Guido is correct, we should find that the
chronology of Gospatric Fitz Orm's line to be much later than those of
Gravelda's siblings. What do we find? In all four instances below,
the fourth generation is pretty much where we would expect it to be.
The birthdates of the fourth generation ranges from 1152 to in or
before 1175. The average birth date of the great-grandchild in the
four branches is 1162. Where is Gospatric Fitz Orm's grandchild:
1160/5, right where she should be if she was a great-granddaughter of
Gravelda of Dunbar. Is the chronology of the family of Gospatric Fitz
Orm way out of line? Not at all. In fact, it fits right in with the
rest of the Dunbar family tree.

We'll start with the line of Gravelda first, then followed by her
brothers, Waltheof and Gospatric, and her sister, Etheldreda.

Line 1:

1. Gravelda (or Gurwelda, Gimilda) of Dunbar, m. Orm Fitz Ketel.
2. Gospatric Fitz Orm, born say 1105/1110.
3. Thomas Fitz Gospatric, born say 1130.
4. Aline Fitz Thomas, born say 1160/5.

Line 2:

Waltheof Fitz Gospatric.
Gunnilda Fitz Waltheof, m. Uchred Fitz Fergus.
Roland Fitz Uchtred, born in or before 1150.
Alan Fitz Roland, born before 1175 (of age before 1196).

Line 3:

1. Gospatric II, Earl of Dunbar.
2. Gospatric III, Earl of Dunbar, born 1100.
3. Waltheof of Dunbar, born say 1130.
4. Patrick, Earl of Dunbar, born 1152.

Line 4:

1. Etheldreda of Dunbar, m. Duncan II, King of Scotland.
2. William Fitz Duncan, born say 1094.
3. Cecily, married William, Count of Aumale.
4. Hawise of Aumale, born c. 1160.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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