Helewise/Hawise daughter of Warin Lancaster
- From: "butlergrt" <butlergrt@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:50:08 -0500
Good Evening Will and All. I had posted about 5 hours
ago a totally different choronology based on charters only and it still is
in the not posted file, rather long but part of what I have found and
fills in some of these long gaps and makes other descents? well it is
obvious:
A Charter: William de Lancaster grants to Gervase de Ainecurt L15 worth of
land etc. Witness:Jordan the grantors son, Gilbert the grantors son, etc.
"the Grantor being William de Lancastre"
Record of Kendal Vol I Helsington and Sizergh, orig. D. at Sizergh
Henry II gave to William Marshall the custody of the heir of William de
Lancastre; see Kirkby in Kendale.
Thiw William de Lancastre(above was the one married to Gundred de Warren
they had 3 sons
1. William
2. Jordan
3. Gilbert
William Mareescallus(Marshall) confirms to Gervase de eincurt his
tenements which William de Lancastre gave him as his charter testifies" to
hold of the said William Marshall and his heirs...etc.witness:Thomas son
of Gospatrick, Gilbert de Lancastre, Roger Croft, Roger son of Adam Henry
son of Norman, Geoffrey de Prestun, Geoffrey son of Robert William
Waleran, Matthew Gernet, William de Kettovill, Richard son of Alard
William de Bevill, Gamel the forester;orig. D. at Sizergh,ibid.
Jordan disappears and presumed oldest and middle of the three, as he
signed first but not necesarrily, but This Gilbert de Lancaster, Williams
youngest brother, becomes the next Lord of Kendal-not Gilbert fitzReinfrid
that married Hawise daugher of William .. in fact it is Gilbert's son
Warin(Warin was steward to King Henry II and was granted custody of
lancaster castle) that marries Heleweise dau of Stuteville Lord of
Knaresborough whose daughter Helewise who marries Gilbert fitzReinfrid who
Then becomes lord of Kendal in the right of his wife.
Gilbert fitzReinfrid does not become Lord of Kendal until 6 John(1205) It
is recorded as I am sure you all know that Gilbert fitzReinfreid was one
of the barons that forced K. John to sign the Magna Carta. When King John
laid seige to Rochester, Gilbert's son William (de Lancaster) the future
Lord of Kendal was found hiding and taken prisoner there. Gilbert had to
provide hostages and had to give up the castles Merhull and Kirkeby to the
king. Gilbert obtained his pardon which was ratified by HenryIII in the
first year of his reign. William remained Lord of Kendal and was high
sheriff of Lancashire from 18 Henry III thru 30 Henry III at the timne of
his death.
The first part is long and full of charters and a totally different line
of descent from Ivo based on these charters. Hope it comes thru. Hopae I
didn't make to many mistakes in typing etc.
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler
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