Re: Gospatric Fitz Orm's mother, Gravelda of Dunbar
- From: ClaudiusI0@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC)
In a message dated 11/28/2005 2:06:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
royalancestry@xxxxxxx writes:
Gospatric Fitz Orm, who I estimate was born say 1110.
Dear Doug,
The chronology of this family can be documented.
Gravilda was born before 1075 as her father Gospatric earl of Northumberland
was dead in 1074. Symeon of Durham [Symeonis Dunelmensis Opera et
Collectanea, Vol. II, Surtees Society Publication, Andrews & Co., Durham, 1868, pp.
199] records that just before his death Gospatric was visited by two monks from
Jarrow abbey Aldwin and Turgot. Gospatric confessed his sins and died and was
buried in the porch of the church at Melrose. Symeon dates this to 1074 in
Vol. I, pp. 111 where he states that this trip took place from Jarrow to
Melrose. The confession was taken at Ubbanford [Norham]. So the latest birth date
for Gravilda was 1075.
Gospatric son of Orm first comes into documented records in 1150 as he
witnessed a charter of Henry [ son of David I, king of Scotland] with Bishop
Athewold to Holm Cultram Abbey. Gospatric would have been at least 14 when he
witnessed this charter. Gospatric died ca.1179. In 1174 he granted a charter to
Holm Cultram with the consent of his son Thomas [his heir] and another son
Alan which was witnessed at Camberton before Robert de Vallibus who was justice
itinerant in 1174. These dates seem to make it much more likely that
Gospatric was born ca. 1120-1125 which would eliminate Gravilda from being his
mother.
The next documented record of Thomas son of Gospatric occurs in 1185 when he
made an agreement with Adam de Kerkebi (Pipe rolls 31 Henry I). He died
between November 13, 1200 (Charter Rolls, 2 John, m. 27 dorso; Pipe Roll, 2 John)
and 1201(Rot. de Oblations, pp. 157, 179, 194; Westmoreland Pipe Roll, 3
John).
Based on the above data Thomas son of Gospatric would appear to have been
born ca. 1155-1160 making the logical birth date ca. 1120-1125 for Gospatric.
In the eleventh century for a woman to be married and give birth to her
first child at 45-50 is very improbable.
MIchaelAnne
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