Strange? But fun? Re: Who was the Countess of Derby in 1630 was Brydges / Chandos scandal [?]

Dear Will,

For a moment I was taken aback when you called Ferdinando's daughter Anne Lady Strange.
I knew Ferdinando has descendants (via his daughters) to the present and the Lord/Lady Strange title "belonged" to other Stanleys and going to other families not descending from Ferdinando.

CP gives the answer : Vol XII/1 Page 157 "The Barony of Strange of Knockyn was, however, improperly assumed by the succeeding Earls of Derby, and being, erroneously, supposed, in 1628, to belong to them, gave occasion to writ of that date whereby a _new_ Barony of the name 'Strange' was created.

By the way, Ferdinando Stanley, Earl of Derby, is an ancestor of Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson. As his descendants include quite a few other interesting people I made a file of all I have but that is 15 generations and 841 pages. Therefor I made one of 10 generations and if anyone is interested I can send it.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



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In researching this issue through A2A I came across an update to
genealogics.org

On Leo's great web site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049302&tree=LEO
we see one of the three daughters of Ferdinando Stanley, 5th Earl of Derby

Ferdinando had three daughters as heirs, no other children.
Leo's shows that Anne married 1st in 1608 to Grey Brydges, 5th Lord Chandos
of Sudeley and second to Mervyn Touchet, 2nd Earl of Castlehaven.

Now I present two documents which show the three heirs and that his heir Anne
was actually first, prior to either of these two marriages, and by 1602
called "Anne, Lady Strange"

Will Johnson
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Lancashire Record Office: Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley) [DDK/1 -
DDK/44]
Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley)
Catalogue Ref. DDK
Creator(s): Stanley family of Knowsley, Earls of Derby
FILE [no title] - ref. DDK/7/1 - date: 22nd April, 37 Elizabeth, A.D. 1595
[from Scope and Content] Earl Ferdinand married Alice daughter of Sir John
Spencer, Knight, and has three daughters and coheiresses. Anne aged 13 years and
6 months, Frances aged 10 years and 11 months, and Elizabeth aged 7 years and
3 months. The said Alice Countess of Derby survives and William, brother of
the said Earl, is his next heir male and heir to Sir Thomas Stanley and to
Edward Earl of Derby and is 32 years of age.
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Lancashire Record Office: Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley) [DDK/1 -
DDK/44]
Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley)
Catalogue Ref. DDK
Creator(s): Stanley family of Knowsley, Earls of Derby
Grants, Family Deeds, &c. - ref. DDK/8

FILE - Sir Thomas Egerton, Lord Keeper, and Alice Countess of Derby his wife,
the Ladies Ann Lady Strange, Lady Frances Stanley and Elizabeth Lady
Hastings, daughters of the said Countess, Sir Thomas Leigh, Knight, and Thomas
Spencer, Esq., to Thomas Chamberlayne, Thomas Tyldesley and others. - ref. DDK/8/25 -
date: 6th December, 45 Elizabeth, A.D. 1602



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