RE: Caucasus relatives
- From: dardasht1@xxxxxxxxx (Schelly Talalay Dardashti)
- Date: 31 Jan 2010 10:02:59 -0800
In answer to Annette Stolberg who asked what it meant when a cousin
said that grandpa had relatives in the Caucasus. Leonid Pereplyotchik
answered the geographical question of what the Caucasus means.
As in much of history and genealogy related issues, having relatives
there could mean various things. The family had gone from here
(wherever here was) to there for a number of reasons: economic
opportunity (such as Baku's oil fields), wartime evacuation, army
service, work assignments, marriage, education, etc. Perhaps the
family originated in the Caucasus and migrated elsewhere (for
education or marriage, etc.), leaving relatives behind.
Here's some additional information that might help in understanding
Many of our Mogilev, Belarus TALALAY cousins went off to Baku,
Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea in the very early 1900s, to work in
the new booming oil business. From there, these cousins went to
Philadelphia and promptly got lost - we still haven't found the
descendants today. Some from the Novgorodok Severskiy, Chernigov
gub. UKR branch of the Mogilev family are today in Sochi on the
Black Sea, while others lived all over FSU from Kazakhstan, to the
Crimea and many other locations. Both groups had people in St.
Petersburg and Moscow, who had gone for education and business in
the very early years of 1900.
The Mountain Jews who speak Tat - a Farsi dialect - are in that
area around Baku, where people speak Farsi, Azeri (a Turkish
dialect) and Russian.
All of Azerbaijan was part of the Persian Empire until The Treaty
of Turkmenchay (Russian: Turkmanchayskiy dogovor), signed on
ebruary 21, 1828 by Persia and Imperial Russia, after Persia's 1828
defeat in the Russo-Persian War (1826-28). The original terms gave
more territory to the Russians, but eventually gave some of it back
The treaty gave to Russia the Erivan khanate (most of present-day
central Armenia), the Nakhchivan khanate (most of present-day
Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan), the Talysh khanate,
the Ordubad and Mughan regions (now part of Azerbaijan).
For more on this treaty, see
There were Jews in Armenia, in Georgia - indeed, all over the Caucasus.
Also, during WWII, many Ashkenazi Jews from Belarus, Ukraine, Russia
were evacuated to Central Asia: Uzbekistan, Tajikistan. Some returned,
some stayed. Remember those Tashkent Refugee Cards? Quite a few of our
TALALAY among those records.
All through the 20th century and earlier, Eastern European Jews found
their way down through Azerbaijan into Teheran. The Teheran Jewish
cemetery, Beheshtieh, has a group of stones of individuals coming from
Eastern Europe. A man in Los Angeles returned to Teheran on a visit,
photographed thousands of stones and placed them online. The problem
is that the index is by first name, so you'll have to scroll through
many pages to see them - it took me hours to find my DARDASHTI and I
can read the Farsi inscriptions. The Eastern European stones are very
simple. names in Latin alphabet (not Farsi) and easy to see when
scrolling quickly through the rather ornate Persian Jewish stones. A
very small Ashkenazi synagogue existed in Teheran until the early 1970s.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tracing the Tribe: The Jewish Genealogy Blog
-- Leonid Pereplyotchik wrote....
Caucasus is a large area between Black and Caspian see. It consist~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
of the countries: Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, as well as the
South part of Russia - Chechnya, Adygeya, Dagestan, Osetia etc.
There are small Jewish community there, so called "Mountain Jews"
who came from Persia long time ago. Another name "Taty". They speak
Tat language which is mix between Hebrew and Pharsi.
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